cycleguy2300
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Not for the money... not one that can perform as well is so many areas.
I hate EVs, but you cannot deny that a Tesla S Plaid will out do pretty much anything at its price-point.
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Bought a Tesla Model S Plaid
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I hate EVs, but you cannot deny that a Tesla S Plaid will out do pretty much anything at its price-point.
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Lots of engineering difference between a Hybrid and a non-hybrid EV battery, and the battery pack in the hybrid EV are about ( a broad generalization) 1/3 the size/mass.How much is the replacement battery in the Tesla when it does fail? Are the current EV batteries still considered toxic waste?
Lexus says about $20k to swap batteries on their hybrid:
‘My jaw dropped’: Car owner shocked by $20,000 price tag to replace hybrid battery
Lucas Turner was told by a dealership that he would need to pay roughly $20,000 for a new hybrid battery.www.nbc15.com
Everything but the warning label on the outside is hazardous material.
I’m not an EV supporter. Not one bit. But if the various manufacturers could settle on a shared battery design, I think the costs could come down a little and battery replacement won’t be so bad. With regards to saving $ on maintenance over an ICE, well we are mainly talking oil changes. Plugs, transmission fluid, coolant are all extended service intervals now. There are no belt(s) to replace. They are reinforced serpentine that go for 100k miles or more are $50 or so and take 5 mins to pop on. Tune ups don’t exist outside of the spark plug replacement.
Joe, you were not in Texas in early 2021, it seems? The grid was NOT adequate and we still have damage to our home caused by rolling blackouts in single-digit temps.
If it can't even keep your lights on, it's not gonna take many more EVs to bring it down again.
And I am one who believes that EVs are the future. Not ready for prime time, but after evolution of PVs, batteries, and motors, perhaps.
Oh. And thoughtful, planned expansions to the grid.
We had issues this summer due to the heat.
The ERCOT warnings were all issued after the sun was setting, and the wind was petering out. Just about the time the worker bees get home and need to charge their wondercars from the days commute. PG&E and Con Edison were also stretched far too thin.
Lonesome Dove
A man of vision but with no mission.
Some people still living in a fantasy world.
Bless them all....Wait never mind
Bless them all....Wait never mind
Most parts of the Country were having difficulty with the grid before EV's. Haven't seen any improvement.
And that range assumes what driving style?
And at what temperature? Watch out when it gets cold.
And that range will degrade every year as they batteries are cycled.
Start saving now for the battery pack you will have to replace in a few years. It will be rather expensive.
Tesla expects a 30% degradation within the warranty period and says the battery should last 200,000 miles. Sounds like a long time, but traditional ICE cars go longer without needing a ~$20,000 part replaced.
...but lets be real. No one buys any new car to save money.
cycleguy2300
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Charging DEFINITELY adds substantial and measurable strain to the grid and can cause or exacerbate (that means make worse) grid problems.
California Is Facing An Electricity Crisis. But It Has Also Mandated A Switchover To Electric Vehicles
California is banning new gasoline cars by 2035 and many states are following its lead. EV switchover will work only if households can charge their cars 24X7. This requires policies to build up transmission lines and new generation capacity for uninterrupted electricity supply.
www.forbes.com
Race to zero: Can California’s power grid handle a 15-fold increase in electric cars?
California officials insist that the grid can provide enough electricity. But that’s based on a lot of assumptions that may not be realistic.
calmatters.org
Still interested in seeing the vehicles you claim can out perform a S Plaid at its price-point as you claimed earlier.
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General Zod
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So charging your car doubles your daily electrical demand, doubling your electric bill and doubling the amount of power you pull off the grid. We already get warnings about rolling blackouts in the summer time because everyone is turning their A/C on and we already have failures of the grid in the winter. How will a substantial number of users doubling their demand not adversely affect the power grid?
Oh, and hey, if my wife gets one too, then we get to triple our usage! Great!
My brother (owns a Tesla) and I argue this all the time. He doesn't care that many of the charge stations are run by diesel generators, he just likes the car and rationalizes that the extra time on his trips he enjoys. Sitting in a McDonalds is not a plus for me.
I have owned 2 hybrids, a Honda Accord (battery went in less than 3 years and replaced under warranty) and a Prius Vi where a minor water leak from the engine required pulling the engine and a $3,000 bill. Neither of them saved me any money. The Honda was fun to drive, the Prius was like driving a shoe box.
I would bet on a long trip a junk Russian Yugo would arrive faster than an expensive Tesla.
I really don't care what anyone buys as long as I am not paying for it in tax breaks. My brother got the tax break. If EVs were so great they wouldn't need tax breaks. The public can make the decision with their wallet.
I have owned 2 hybrids, a Honda Accord (battery went in less than 3 years and replaced under warranty) and a Prius Vi where a minor water leak from the engine required pulling the engine and a $3,000 bill. Neither of them saved me any money. The Honda was fun to drive, the Prius was like driving a shoe box.
I would bet on a long trip a junk Russian Yugo would arrive faster than an expensive Tesla.
I really don't care what anyone buys as long as I am not paying for it in tax breaks. My brother got the tax break. If EVs were so great they wouldn't need tax breaks. The public can make the decision with their wallet.
Are most homes able to handle the increased electrical load of charging two vehicles overnight? Willing to shut off the home AC on a Texas evening while the EVs charge?
