Bought a Tesla Model S Plaid

[Sam Colt]

Mozilla study reveals that “modern cars are a privacy nightmare”

All 25 car brands reviewed raised privacy concerns regarding customer data.

www.theverge.com

“Tesla was the worst-ranked brand in the study, getting flagged in every privacy category — only the second time this happened.”

 

[red442joe]

How long, from the time the battery is really low until say 80% charge? Assuming a high speed charger. The closest one from my house is over 20 miles away. My brother has one and loves it but he lives on the west coast where chargers are plentiful. Aside from the acceleration though what advantage does it have?

On a trip from Ocean City, MD to Ann Arbor , MI there were three stops, the longest of which, if I recall, was 18 minutes.
The cost was about $3 per hundred miles. If you figure an economy gasoline car, buying $3/gallon gas, getting about 30mpg, it's $9-ish per hundred miles.
The longest stop, after pee, grab a snack, getting back to the car, had to wait a short time.
There are a LOT of misconceptions about e-cars, ESPECIALLY the Tesla.
Granted, I am using a small sample, but I know the owner well, he has an extremely low tolerance for inefficiency/ineffectiveness, and has extensively compared his experience with others in the EV community, and found his experiences to be typical for Teslas.
I drove his Model 3 Dual-Motor befor he did, as I was with his sister to take delivery.
I've been an auto mechanic since the late '70's.
I AM a car guy, from way back.
The electric car IS the future.
Electric cars are NOT glorified golf carts.
I have plenty of dota(the plural of anecdote) that I can share. I can get data if needed.

Joe

 

[innominate]

On a trip from Ocean City, MD to Ann Arbor , MI there were three stops, the longest of which, if I recall, was 18 minutes.
The cost was about $3 per hundred miles. If you figure an economy gasoline car, buying $3/gallon gas, getting about 30mpg, it's $9-ish per hundred miles.
The longest stop, after pee, grab a snack, getting back to the car, had to wait a short time.
There are a LOT of misconceptions about e-cars, ESPECIALLY the Tesla.
Granted, I am using a small sample, but I know the owner well, he has an extremely low tolerance for inefficiency/ineffectiveness, and has extensively compared his experience with others in the EV community, and found his experiences to be typical for Teslas.
I drove his Model 3 Dual-Motor befor he did, as I was with his sister to take delivery.
I've been an auto mechanic since the late '70's.
I AM a car guy, from way back.
The electric car IS the future.
Electric cars are NOT glorified golf carts.
I have plenty of dota(the plural of anecdote) that I can share. I can get data if needed.

Joe

I was going to rent a tesla model 3 for a recent trip to Nola to see how it would be on a road trip. I went to the tesla map site to check the route. It a 500 mile trip. It's usually 8 hours in my car. In the tesla it showed 5 stops to charge and the total trip time of 10 hours. It did not show how much charge would be left when I arrived. I rented a VW instead

ETA. The VW was 40% cheaper to rent.

 

[Havok1]

On a trip from Ocean City, MD to Ann Arbor , MI there were three stops, the longest of which, if I recall, was 18 minutes.
The cost was about $3 per hundred miles. If you figure an economy gasoline car, buying $3/gallon gas, getting about 30mpg, it's $9-ish per hundred miles.
The longest stop, after pee, grab a snack, getting back to the car, had to wait a short time.
There are a LOT of misconceptions about e-cars, ESPECIALLY the Tesla.
Granted, I am using a small sample, but I know the owner well, he has an extremely low tolerance for inefficiency/ineffectiveness, and has extensively compared his experience with others in the EV community, and found his experiences to be typical for Teslas.
I drove his Model 3 Dual-Motor befor he did, as I was with his sister to take delivery.
I've been an auto mechanic since the late '70's.
I AM a car guy, from way back.
The electric car IS the future.
Electric cars are NOT glorified golf carts.
I have plenty of dota(the plural of anecdote) that I can share. I can get data if needed.

Joe

I worked out the math in the other EV thread a while back and I believe it came out to being able to buy enough gas to drive 145k miles with the money I would save by buying a Honda accord instead of a Tesla. so for the average driver, that’s nearly 15 years before their Honda cost them as much as it cost a Tesla owner to drive their base model off the lot.

 

[Tnhawk]

The electric car IS the future

The future isn't today!

 

[toddnjoyce]

…The electric car IS the future.

EV’s prove there’s nothing new under the sun.
https://guides.loc.gov/chronicling-america-early-electric-cars

I truly expect pure plug in EVs are transitory; it may take a decade or two for everyone else to come to that conclusion, but the fact is US (and worldwide) generation and charging infrastructure can’t grow big enough or fast enough to support the additional baseload demand.

 

[C7Z062019]

I worked out the math in the other EV thread a while back and I believe it came out to being able to buy enough gas to drive 145k miles with the money I would save by buying a Honda accord instead of a Tesla. so for the average driver, that’s nearly 15 years before their Honda cost them as much as it cost a Tesla owner to drive their base model off the lot.

Not sure when you did your calculation but prices for Tesla's have came down recently. Gas is only one factor. You have to figure in maintenance into your calculations. No oil changes, radiator, transmission fluid and filter changes, belts or hoses and no engine maintenance (spark plugs, wires, etc.) Only filter to change is the cabin filter. And with re-generation no brake jobs! Probably more that I've not included. And for me, I don't care to drive a Honda or any of the other small foreign cars!

 

[Txhighlander]

Not sure when you did your calculation but prices for Tesla's have came down recently. Gas is only one factor. You have to figure in maintenance into your calculations. No oil changes, radiator, transmission fluid and filter changes, belts or hoses and no engine maintenance (spark plugs, wires, etc.) Only filter to change is the cabin filter. And with re-generation no brake jobs! Probably more that I've not included. And for me, I don't care to drive a Honda or any of the other small foreign cars!

When you have to replace the battery on the ev, the cost will exceed all of the above.

 

[C7Z062019]

When you have to replace the battery on the ev, the cost will exceed all of the above.

8 year warranty. And there are much older still driving with original battery past the 8 year. Does require charging according to the Tesla manual for longevity.

 

[no2gates]

when's the last time you towed 35000 pounds?

You ever been to Golden Corral at dinner time?

 

[Eastexasrick]

8 year warranty. And there are much older still driving with original battery past the 8 year. Does require charging according to the Tesla manual for longevity.

Years are not relevant, milage and usage is. Given the mean failure rate based on the number of cycles for the current battery technology, worship of EVs is misplaced.

 

[innominate]

8 year warranty. And there are much older still driving with original battery past the 8 year. Does require charging according to the Tesla manual for longevity.

How much capacity is left on those batteries? I see an ad earlier this year for a 5 yo leaf that would only go 30 miles on a full charge.q In truth, I would like to have a EV for every day going to work and getting groceries. But I go home a lot. We only need 1 vehicle. I do not want to and 2+ hours, one way, to my trips back home.

You also have to factor the higher cost to insure an ev into your cost. And as far as the small foreign car comment. In most dimensions the Accord has more room that a model 3

 

[Havok1]

Not sure when you did your calculation but prices for Tesla's have came down recently. Gas is only one factor. You have to figure in maintenance into your calculations. No oil changes, radiator, transmission fluid and filter changes, belts or hoses and no engine maintenance (spark plugs, wires, etc.) Only filter to change is the cabin filter. And with re-generation no brake jobs! Probably more that I've not included. And for me, I don't care to drive a Honda or any of the other small foreign cars!

Maybe so. It was a few months ago probably. When I did it I went off of MSRP prices from the manufacturers website and used gas prices that were current at that time. Not sure what has changed since then.

 

[kbaxter60]

I don’t want a car that tells me where to go.

You said it!

That's what you come to TGT for.

 

[Tex62]

The electric car IS the future.
Electric cars are NOT glorified golf carts.
I have plenty of dota(the plural of anecdote) that I can share. I can get data if needed.

Joe

Won’t happen. They don’t call the material needed rare earth elements for nothing. They are controllable. They’ve been subsidized and It’s a money scam running on the backs of slave labor.


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[Eastexasrick]

On a trip from Ocean City, MD to Ann Arbor , MI there were three stops, the longest of which, if I recall, was 18 minutes.
The cost was about $3 per hundred miles. If you figure an economy gasoline car, buying $3/gallon gas, getting about 30mpg, it's $9-ish per hundred miles.
The longest stop, after pee, grab a snack, getting back to the car, had to wait a short time.
There are a LOT of misconceptions about e-cars, ESPECIALLY the Tesla.
Granted, I am using a small sample, but I know the owner well, he has an extremely low tolerance for inefficiency/ineffectiveness, and has extensively compared his experience with others in the EV community, and found his experiences to be typical for Teslas.
I drove his Model 3 Dual-Motor befor he did, as I was with his sister to take delivery.
I've been an auto mechanic since the late '70's.
I AM a car guy, from way back.
The electric car IS the future.
Electric cars are NOT glorified golf carts.
I have plenty of dota(the plural of anecdote) that I can share. I can get data if needed.

Joe

Where is the power coming from? 60% of the US grid is coal or natural gas. Brandon just pledged to cut that off. Oh that's right, solar, better not plan on and overnight charge. Do the math on the solar panel size / charge time, to charge one from 20% to 80%.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mar...S&cvid=9fb9d154458e40899628dcc0d03a14c8&ei=28

 

[1911'S 4 Me]

Soon to follow ev's.

 

[Ausländer]

How much is the replacement battery in the Tesla when it does fail? Are the current EV batteries still considered toxic waste?


Lexus says about $20k to swap batteries on their hybrid:

‘My jaw dropped’: Car owner shocked by $20,000 price tag to replace hybrid battery

Lucas Turner was told by a dealership that he would need to pay roughly $20,000 for a new hybrid battery.

www.nbc15.com

 

[red442joe]

I was going to rent a tesla model 3 for a recent trip to Nola to see how it would be on a road trip. I went to the tesla map site to check the route. It a 500 mile trip. It's usually 8 hours in my car. In the tesla it showed 5 stops to charge and the total trip time of 10 hours. It did not show how much charge would be left when I arrived. I rented a VW instead

ETA. The VW was 40% cheaper to rent.

It is possible there were not enough super-chargers.

Joe

EV’s prove there’s nothing new under the sun.
https://guides.loc.gov/chronicling-america-early-electric-cars

I truly expect pure plug in EVs are transitory; it may take a decade or two for everyone else to come to that conclusion, but the fact is US (and worldwide) generation and charging infrastructure can’t grow big enough or fast enough to support the additional baseload demand.

This is not un-true.

Joe

 

[Tnhawk]

8 year warranty. And there are much older still driving with original battery past the 8 year. Does require charging according to the Tesla manual for longevity.

I’ve read that motor replacements are much more frequent than battery replacement.