Who here carries a Tourniquet?

[leVieux]

I don't have to reread it. Just wanted to post an example.

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That's fine, but it was a "reply". My O.P. has repeatedly been mis-quoted and mis-characterized. I never said they were useless and I never said to not carry them.

What I did say was that their use in civilian trauma has been over-stressed. And I do believe that a more likely useful item in "life-saving" is an airway assist device.

leVieux
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[cycleguy2300]

That's fine, but it was a "reply". My O.P. has repeatedly been mis-quoted and mis-characterized. I never said they were useless and I never said to not carry them.

What I did say was that their use in civilian trauma has been over-stressed. And I do believe that a more likely useful item in "life-saving" is an airway assist device.

leVieux
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Of all the civilian trauma I have seen innthe field, a TQ was by far the most frequently needed/used. Airway assist (NP tube) has maybe been critical in 1/10th the number of the cases a TQ was critical to survival.

Anecdotal, but what Andre3k and I deal with on a daily basis is much closer to combat than many people think. Np tubes are small, minimal risk, easy to use items. I carry one, but they used infrequently compared to a TQ and IME are less likely to cause a death if not used.

Part of the issue is very few are trained on NP tubes. I am not formally trained, I am self taught and thats a risk many understandably wont take.

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[Axxe55]

Pretty much an idiot can figure out how to use a tourniquet, not so much with an "airway assist" device unless trained in their use.

 

[DoubleDuty]

If you wear a belt. I have one in my range bag

 

[Axxe55]

If you wear a belt. I have one in my range bag

Pretty much anything can be fashioned into a tourniquet if needed badly enough. Not so much with an airway assist device.

 

[crystalphoto]

I have one in my field kit, and I believe I have one in my range bag, I can't remember... I do have my belt ands carry paracord in my range bag. I do carry Quick Clot in my range bag also...The key is knowing when to use any of it.

 

[BRD@66]

For 2.5 years, rman (original poster) has been sitting on the sidelines chuckling.

 

[DoubleDuty]

Pretty much anything can be fashioned into a tourniquet if needed badly enough. Not so much with an airway assist device.

Carry an old fashion ball point pen and a pocket knife

 

[Axxe55]

Carry an old fashion ball point pen and a pocket knife

I have seen that done, but it ain't one I would try.

 

[DoubleDuty]

I have seen that done, but it ain't one I would try.

My wife was RN for 45 years she teaches me stuff

 

[candcallen]

My wife was RN for 45 years she teaches me stuff

OOC thread material?

 

[DoubleDuty]

OOC thread material?

Oops I didn't include the reply I was replying to.

 

[justmax]

No

Pretty much an idiot can figure out how to use a tourniquet, not so much with an "airway assist" device unless trained in their use.

t sure how old you are, but I watched "McGiver" as a kid, Give me a pocket knife, a straw, and some duct tape and an escape route if and when it goes wrong, and I can do it; I think.

 

[justmax]

I have a CAT or two in each of my bags from my EDC "purse", backpack, car
"get home bag" that are for me. Every one of the above also carries a couple of inner tube slices for other people should they be needed..

 

[Axxe55]

No

t sure how old you are, but I watched "McGiver" as a kid, Give me a pocket knife, a straw, and some duct tape and an escape route if and when it goes wrong, and I can do it; I think.

I did watch McGyver years ago. Was a program I enjoyed watching when I had the opportunity. Making a makeshift airway assist device isn't something I would do since it's pretty tricky and unless I was stranded on a mountain, and it was the only option to save a person's life, I ain't doing one.

 

[justmax]

I did watch McGyver years ago. Was a program I enjoyed watching when I had the opportunity. Making a makeshift airway assist device isn't something I would do since it's pretty tricky and unless I was stranded on a mountain, and it was the only option to save a person's life, I ain't doing one.

I Agree. In today's litigious society, I am not sure I would count on the "Good Samaritan" defense these days. That said, watching the sparkle leave someone's eyes; friend, stranger, or even foe, is not an easy instinct to overcome for most people. Of course this info comes from a friend.

 

[Axxe55]

I Agree. In today's litigious society, I am not sure I would count on the "Good Samaritan" defense these days. That said, watching the sparkle leave someone's eyes; friend, stranger, or even foe, is not an easy instinct to overcome for most people. Of course this info comes from a friend.

Under ordinary circumstances I would never attempt to do it, but under extraordinary life or death and I was the only person around, I probably would. I could accept failure simply because I was doing the best I could in all honesty to save a life.

 

[justmax]

I Agree. In today's litigious society, I am not sure I would count on the "Good Samaritan" defense these days. That said, watching the sparkle leave someone's eyes; friend, stranger, or even foe, is not an easy instinct to overcome for most people. Of course this info comes from a friend.

I think we agree. Under what "ordinary circumstances" does anyone need to perform a tracheotomy? A TQ, a trach, even CPR, including M2M, all caries risk of the good guy. I am sorry to have to say this, and as arrogant as it may sound, but yes, my life is worth more to me that the average stranger's life is to me. "Put the oxygen mask on yourself first"; then your child, etc.

 

[leVieux]

The poll doesn't fit me. I have bought and owned dozens of venous tourniquets & a couple arterial.

When a Family Doc, I carried an entire BanYan kit in my car. It had laryngoscopes, G-Tubes, ETT's, oral & nasal airways, suction, most emergency meds, etc. Never opened it except to check contents. I have done intubations in the field, but there was ether a tray or an ambulance available.

I also carried a Mini-Trach set, a 12 or 14GA needle, tourniquets, etc. Again, never had to use my own stuff. Never had to do an outside emergency trach, just those @ bedside or in the O.R. My old Partner had been a USN WWII shipboard Surgical Chief in the Pacific, later USN Hospital C.O. @ Corpus; he taught me his 3-step battlefield, 10 second trach technique, but I never had to use it in real life.

No carry of tourniquet for some 40 years since. But I was never in REAL combat, just drills.

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[Axxe55]

I think we agree. Under what "ordinary circumstances" does anyone need to perform a tracheotomy? A TQ, a trach, even CPR, including M2M, all caries risk of the good guy. I am sorry to have to say this, and as arrogant as it may sound, but yes, my life is worth more to me that the average stranger's life is to me. "Put the oxygen mask on yourself first"; then your child, etc.

Under "ordinary" circumstances, EMT's, medical facilities are usually going to be close enough that trying to do a tract in the field without proper training, might do more harm than good.

"Extraordinary" circumstances would be miles out in the middle of nowhere, where medical help or facilities might be hours or days away.

I believe that such circumstances are going to be unique, and that there is no one size fits all answer as to what to do.