What kind of training do you want?
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very very interesting and insightful. Money being the main concern, approximately how many guns do you own? a range in fine...0-5 ; 5-10 ; more than 10
What would you consider "tactical training"? Can you define (in training context) basics, fundamental, intermediate, advanced? If you could, described what you would expect to learn in each level of coursework.
I'll keep asking questions as long as you answer. Its (obviously) 100% up to you what you answer. I sincerely appreciate the time.
This is very very interesting and i'm going to respond to each -
1) realistic scenarios in a 1:1 setting. At what point in your day do you exist in a 1:1 environment?
2) do you think you're training is relevant to the environment you find yourself in now?
3) personal reference being required...what type of training do you associated engage in?
1.) None - just not really interested.
2.) Nothing formal - had a few sessions.
3.) Time, money, age. - I'm old and out of shape with ruined knees and a bad back.
Running around jumping over things while shooting ain't happening.
I'd rather buy a new interesting firearm than spend the $ on "training".
1. 1:1 in the context of student:instructor ratio. Me with 10 other dudes on the line punching holes in paper isn’t realistic. Put me in a FATS-type scenario generator or live role players that assess my actions leading up to and through the use of force. Then, break it down with video replay to identify areas for improvement and re-do the scenario.
2. No. Most of my training is specific to military operations. I’m no longer in that business.
3. I’m new enough to the civilian world that most of my associates are still military.
Type of training I'm interested in.
Reputation of the folks doing the training, based on research, reviews and personal recos.
Location.
Cost is a secondary or tertiary factor, I generally will pay for quality.
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I train mostly on my own. I find many exercises on the internet and train on the property or range. Not that many classes around here that I have found that I can find the time to join.
Not a 1# concern but like at my LTC class I know I got flagged by 3 different people multiple times and the instructor did nothing about it.
My main concern is getting usable info and techniques that I can practice. Also having an instructor that is not some NRA fudd (also like my LTC class).
You'd be surprised how much you can learn from NRA Fudds that translates directly to every other discipline.
I'm no class junkie. There have been a few low-level pistol classes aimed at defensive use. Of course, there was also the training required to get my NRA certs.
But the training I've most enjoyed, sought the most, and taken repeatedly is formal target shooting - standing on a line, holding a pistol in one hand, and trying to put all my shots in the 10-ring. Some may call it Fudd training but I call it learning to look at the front sight, press the trigger straight to the rear, and hit where I want. It's amazing how much that foundation helps when I want to shoot faster, or with two hands, or when moving, or ... etc.
Count me with Moonpie on this one. Bad back and bad knees makes all that falling to the ground, rolling around, twisting up, taking a knee and improvising positions into a non-starter for me.
I like to cite an example. Way more than a decade ago, I decided I wanted some useful, all-around rifle training. I wanted to learn to shoot from position. I wanted the basics reinforced. I wanted exposure to field work. I wanted enough technical info to challenge me, too. That sort of "generalist" class was pretty rare at the time. I did, however, find one school in Colorado that offered, according to their website, exactly what I was looking for. It was a full week and a bit expensive but I was ready to sign up.
Then I read the small print. For this class, you had to pay in full, in advance, the entire cost which, iirc, was several thousand dollars. Upon arrival to the class, you were required to sling your rifle and full pack and take a two-mile run on a woodlands trail, completing the task under a certain par time. If you failed to complete the run under the par time, you forfeited your entire tuition and would be immediately escorted off the property.
I don't remember the time. I do remember thinking that anyone over 50 or in less than peak physical condition would fail. And I remember that if these were the games that the "new riflemen" wanted to play, I'd just give up on trying to be any good with a rifle other than off a bench.
My point?
What keeps me from taking any training beyond the introductory level is the notion, far too common in the training industry, that normal people want to be trained to fight in the zombie apocalypse. Or at least that civilians want to be able to play soldier convincingly.
I don't need that. I need to know how to be aware so that I don't have to move, move so I don't have to draw, draw so I don't have to fire, hit if I don't have any other choice, and otherwise just get out uninjured. I consider that a "medium" bar to get over and perfectly adequate for civilians. What I see in the market are nothingburger courses that fail to teach the basics, hyped courses that promise to ninja-fy you, and almost nothing in between.
Somebody point me to some of those classes in the middle ground and I'll be happy to take more.
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How many firearms in my home? More than 10. Pistols, rifles, shotguns. I mainly shoot pistols. I have a husband and three sons who shoot.
I would probably need beginner to medium level training. Tactical, meaning, to me, how to gain advantage in a scenario so as to be able to defend self in a fight (which I know very little about). How to use factors about myself or my environment to my advantage, and how to shift my awareness and focus to what matters. How to develop muscle memory using strategies that will help me act efficiently and effectively in a self defense scenario I might be likely to encounter.
I’ll just take whatever training experiences I can get in matches at this point. I’ve barely got the basics down to where I’m becoming more accurate. I have to keep making adjustments in my grip, stance, etc. So more advanced and I would assume, more expensive, training will come later, if at all.
Ben nails it again.
I might go for some simulator type stuff.
Not driving 100's of miles and paying big $$$ for it tho.
Training with all the full load out battle rattle gear, while good, is a waste of time for me.
1.) I do not have all that stuff and I seriously doubt I will ever need it. If the zombies attack I'm hosed. Not gonna buy it.
I'll make due with a murse.
2.) You're not gonna have all that stuff on you when it hits the fan.
If you're like me you'll be in shorts, Hawaiian shirt, and flip flops when it goes down.
3.) See#2. I'll train myself as I normally am.
4.) Knowing how to use your weapon is easy to learn.
Knowing when to use it isn't. That's the tricky part.
None other than Wyatt Earp said(paraphrasing here) It isn't always the quickest man that wins, it is the man that keeps his nerve and makes the shot.
That sort of sums up my training philosophy.
I might go for some simulator type stuff.
Not driving 100's of miles and paying big $$$ for it tho.
Training with all the full load out battle rattle gear, while good, is a waste of time for me.
1.) I do not have all that stuff and I seriously doubt I will ever need it. If the zombies attack I'm hosed. Not gonna buy it.
I'll make due with a murse.
2.) You're not gonna have all that stuff on you when it hits the fan.
If you're like me you'll be in shorts, Hawaiian shirt, and flip flops when it goes down.
3.) See#2. I'll train myself as I normally am.
4.) Knowing how to use your weapon is easy to learn.
Knowing when to use it isn't. That's the tricky part.
None other than Wyatt Earp said(paraphrasing here) It isn't always the quickest man that wins, it is the man that keeps his nerve and makes the shot.
That sort of sums up my training philosophy.
This.
For rifles, they do it right.
I'll be in the same classes as Ben & Moonpie. Too many years kneeling on steel.
