Ukraine invasion

[majormadmax]

So how do you suggest we deter Russia from Ukraine and not regret it because they will retaliate

And why is it our responsibility anyway

And what do you think will be the consequences if we let Putin walk into Ukraine unabated (or Xi into Taiwan)?

Have you ever read history? Go look up Chamberlain and Hitler, and see how well that appeasement went! "Peace for our time" my ass!

Lastly, we made policing the world our business after WWII.

 

[Sam Colt]

Yeah, but that was back before most Americans traded their ballsacks for a list of grievances.

 

[popper]

Rus gas pipeline goes through Ukraine, other (new) pipe is north to Germany. With Ukraine and Nordstream line they control gas flow to EU. Turkey was talking about a line from Iran to EU, don't think they will allow it. After Cuba and Reagan, Rus has been pretty 'docile' in world events other than Afgan and Syria. Time to shake things up.

 

[ATN2]

And what do you think will be the consequences if we let Putin walk into Ukraine unabated (or Xi into Taiwan)?

Have you ever read history? Go look up Chamberlain and Hitler, and see how well that appeasement went! "Peace for our time" my ass!

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Lastly, we made policing the world our business after WWII.

And do you think we can stop them

We cant and we wont

We are so weak and vulnerable they will obliterate us unless we use nukes and we wont

 

[TipBledsoe]

... the United States took Texas back...

Maybe not the best comparison:

• I don't think the US ever lost Texas (yet).
• I don't think the US wanted Texas like Russia wants Ukraine - Texas was heavily in debt and we had to give up a large portion of Texas.

 

[mad88minute]

And do you think we can stop them

We cant and we wont

We are so weak and vulnerable they will obliterate us unless we use nukes and we wont

Not with an attitude like that.

You sir are weak yourself and come off as a troll.

Again, I'm am not talking military action, but the US military is far superior to the Russians. Their planes, tanks, missiles are all old and outdated.



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[ATN2]

Not with an attitude like that.

You sir are weak yourself and come off as a troll.

Again, I'm am not talking military action, but the US military is far superior to the Russians. Their planes, tanks, missiles are all old and outdated.



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Big difference is they are willing to go to war and shut down our electrical grid

we are not

 

[striker55]

Wife was telling me about a show she watched last night. Russia is teaming up with China, if we retaliate the new super power will shutdown our power grid. She was so worried she went food shopping, gas up the car and get cash. Power goes down nothing will work.

 

[alwho421]

not worried about 190k Russian troops, I'm concerned whether the Russians have the logistics to sustain a campaign.
Losers study tactics winners study logistics.

 

[TipBledsoe]

Wife was telling me about a show she watched last night. Russia is teaming up with China, if we retaliate the new super power will shutdown our power grid. She was so worried she went food shopping, gas up the car and get cash. Power goes down nothing will work.

There is solid biblical prophesy that this could line up with.

 

[DaBull]

The border between Ukraine and Russia works both ways. We should provide Ukraine with massive numbers of Stingers and Javelins and EFP/IEDs. To keep casualties low, Russia will use its overwhelming air and armor to take ground. Ukraine should make this as costly as possible, since Russia cannot easily replace these items. Then it should send its saboteurs across the border into Russia to attack infrastructure and political will.

 

[majormadmax]

The Ukraine War Has Already Begun – and It’s Unlike Any You’ve Seen Before

 

[Moonpie]

The Euroweenies can handle it if it bothers them.

 

[ArmyDub]

Everyone thinks Putin’s got it easy. He’s doing this to keep the rumblings quiet. Even a Dictator has to rely on the support of his military.

 

[TipBledsoe]

And do you think we can stop them

We cant and we wont

We are so weak and vulnerable they will obliterate us unless we use nukes and we wont

In order to help one understand @ATN2 point of view, you must answer these questions:

1. If you were an American colonist in the late 16th century, how would you have felt if France stepped in to help England fight against you and your fellow colonists, preventing the separation from England to form the USA?
2. How would you feel if Russia stepped in to help the USA prevent Texas from seceding?

But, on the other hand:

1. Who are the "legal" heirs of Jerusalem?
2. And aren't you thankful to France for helping the American colonies to become the USA?

It is certainly a matter of perspective, and a bit difficult to take a hard stand toward either perspective.

 

[gll]

Maybe not the best comparison:

• I don't think the US ever lost Texas (yet).
• I don't think the US wanted Texas like Russia wants Ukraine - Texas was heavily in debt and we had to give up a large portion of Texas.

Texas separated from the U.S. and was forcibly repatriated...

 

[oldag]

So let them have it

Why do we care

Yeah. Chamberlain was so right about just appeasing and doing nothing to confront dictators. That worked out so well.

 

[oldag]

I think that is the job of the United Nations

The UN is nothing more than a lifetime of easy employment for those who would be otherwise destitute.

 

[oldag]

not worried about 190k Russian troops, I'm concerned whether the Russians have the logistics to sustain a campaign.
Losers study tactics winners study logistics.

No threats exist to their supply lines. How long their stocks would sustain them is the question.

 

[majormadmax]

And do you think we can stop them

We cant and we wont

We are so weak and vulnerable they will obliterate us unless we use nukes and we wont

Speak for yourself.

Being weak would be doing nothing, which you are advocating and will only cause even more brazen acts by Putin and Xi.

While you may not have the stomach for this, many of us understand the implications of the situation and know our response will be critical to the outcome.

This is not just a NATO concern, it's a global one.

You can bury your head in the sand and hope for the best, but those who know realize you can't leave things to chance.

But don't worry, I highly doubt you will be directly impacted by what the US does due to the Russian threat to Ukraine, unlike others of us.

Stand aside and let real Americans handle it.