No way he can be as ugly as I am!
One Year of Open Carry...
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Every morning I ask myself who that ugly bastard is standing behind the bathroom sink.
You too?!? That guy gets around.
I have rarely seen people open carry. While I live in AR now, I am in Texas every day as I live in a border city. The first guy I saw open carrying in TX as best I can recall, literally swaggered into whatever store I was in with his strong hand and arm so far out from his body it could only have been because he was showing off. I guarantee he would have made an easy target for a gun takeaway. Other than him, I have seen very few folks open carry other than uniformed law enforcement. There is one local guy here that I see often at the dog park. He wears a total piece of crap nylon holster that hangs at an odd angle, my guess is that if someone grabbed the holster and tugged hard the whole thing would rip off of his belt. I can only imagine he wears it like that to show it off trying to be tacticool.
As for me I rarely open carry; about the only time I do so is when going out to my car fast to grab something and I don't put on a shirt or jacket to cover it and when I go hunting (which has not been for a while). You can, of course, do as you please but I believe open carry is asking for trouble. While you may think there may have been zero problems to date, that is not factual, takeaways happen from open carriers. In addition, sooner or later there will be someone else who has his or her gun grabbed by a bad guy or a group of bad guys or a guy who gets shot during a crime merely because the bad guy saw the handgun. I see no reason to tempt fate.
Of course, some folks have to open carry. They are mostly police officers or others in law enforcement who are in uniform. They probably amount, by far, to the greatest number of people who open carry. They have their guns taken away and are shot by their own guns all too often. That is why LE concealable body armor is usually required to be at least able to stop the handgun rounds that the officers in any given department are carrying.
While some walk around with their heads in a cloud thinking no one will ever take my gun away from me, stuff like that happens to those carrying openly. Mostly it seems to LE officers but then again that is likely because they are the ones who make up most of the folks who open carry. Here are a few links to and a video of some examples of gun takeaways from people open carrying:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...uspect-grabs-officer-s-gun-in-nyc/ar-AA1n5gFC
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...police-officer-and-a-suspect-shoot-each-other
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/m...art-has-gun-snatched-and-a-shot-fired-at-him/
www.wsbtv.com
www.clickondetroit.com
I have had to fight for my life in two instances of bad guys (all illegal aliens) trying to take away my handgun. Luckily I survived both but during one where multiple assailants were trying to get my gun my sternum and my zyphoid process were fractured; in the other the bad guy bit my left bicep and I still bear the scar. In that second one I mentioned, the bad guy had my gun half way out of my holster but due to good training in retention I was able to retain and keep control of it. Thank goodness an Immigration Inspector in the port of entry and a Sheriff's officer came to my assistance while several Customs & Immigration Inspectors just watched me battling the guy and trying to hang onto my revolver. The illegal alien was built like Charles Bronson in his prime and I was a skinny 155 lbs when soaking wet. I also had a homeless bum approach me in a parking lot in AZ after the wind blew my jacket up and he saw my pistol. He approached me saying something like so you have a pistol. He started to come at me, put his arms out in front of him, then started moving faster toward me as if he was going to grab for it. He was probably 20 or 25 years younger than me. I took a defensive posture getting my car in between him and me and placed my hand on the grips. When I told him if he took one more step I'd open fire, he stopped; it took a moment more to convince him that I was dead serious. He ran away. I reported it to the police who as far as I am aware did nothing. My pistol was probably in open view during that encounter for less than 2 seconds but criminals are opportunists and he started to act on what he thought was an opportunity. I was in my mid fifties at that time, I guess he was in his young to mid twenties; he must have thought me an easy mark but soon realized he had guessed wrong. While no one may ever try to take your gun away from you, the truth is you raise the risk of a takeaway or of you being shot during the commission of a crime by displaying it openly. You can choose for yourself, I choose to carry concealed and believe me I try to be more aware of the wind ever since the incident in AZ.
As for me I rarely open carry; about the only time I do so is when going out to my car fast to grab something and I don't put on a shirt or jacket to cover it and when I go hunting (which has not been for a while). You can, of course, do as you please but I believe open carry is asking for trouble. While you may think there may have been zero problems to date, that is not factual, takeaways happen from open carriers. In addition, sooner or later there will be someone else who has his or her gun grabbed by a bad guy or a group of bad guys or a guy who gets shot during a crime merely because the bad guy saw the handgun. I see no reason to tempt fate.
Of course, some folks have to open carry. They are mostly police officers or others in law enforcement who are in uniform. They probably amount, by far, to the greatest number of people who open carry. They have their guns taken away and are shot by their own guns all too often. That is why LE concealable body armor is usually required to be at least able to stop the handgun rounds that the officers in any given department are carrying.
While some walk around with their heads in a cloud thinking no one will ever take my gun away from me, stuff like that happens to those carrying openly. Mostly it seems to LE officers but then again that is likely because they are the ones who make up most of the folks who open carry. Here are a few links to and a video of some examples of gun takeaways from people open carrying:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...uspect-grabs-officer-s-gun-in-nyc/ar-AA1n5gFC
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...police-officer-and-a-suspect-shoot-each-other
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/m...art-has-gun-snatched-and-a-shot-fired-at-him/
17-year-old steals gun from man at Dunkin’, shoots him to death in parking lot, police say
Police pulled surveillance video and said they quickly figured out that the suspect was staying at a nearby motel.
VIDEO: Man snatches gun from man at Detroit gas station counter
Anyone with information is asked to contact the Detroit Police Department at 313-596-1240 or Crime Stoppers at 1-800-Speak-Up.
I have had to fight for my life in two instances of bad guys (all illegal aliens) trying to take away my handgun. Luckily I survived both but during one where multiple assailants were trying to get my gun my sternum and my zyphoid process were fractured; in the other the bad guy bit my left bicep and I still bear the scar. In that second one I mentioned, the bad guy had my gun half way out of my holster but due to good training in retention I was able to retain and keep control of it. Thank goodness an Immigration Inspector in the port of entry and a Sheriff's officer came to my assistance while several Customs & Immigration Inspectors just watched me battling the guy and trying to hang onto my revolver. The illegal alien was built like Charles Bronson in his prime and I was a skinny 155 lbs when soaking wet. I also had a homeless bum approach me in a parking lot in AZ after the wind blew my jacket up and he saw my pistol. He approached me saying something like so you have a pistol. He started to come at me, put his arms out in front of him, then started moving faster toward me as if he was going to grab for it. He was probably 20 or 25 years younger than me. I took a defensive posture getting my car in between him and me and placed my hand on the grips. When I told him if he took one more step I'd open fire, he stopped; it took a moment more to convince him that I was dead serious. He ran away. I reported it to the police who as far as I am aware did nothing. My pistol was probably in open view during that encounter for less than 2 seconds but criminals are opportunists and he started to act on what he thought was an opportunity. I was in my mid fifties at that time, I guess he was in his young to mid twenties; he must have thought me an easy mark but soon realized he had guessed wrong. While no one may ever try to take your gun away from you, the truth is you raise the risk of a takeaway or of you being shot during the commission of a crime by displaying it openly. You can choose for yourself, I choose to carry concealed and believe me I try to be more aware of the wind ever since the incident in AZ.
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General Zod
TGT Addict
Very little good ever comes from assigning motivations and opinions to people you don't know.
Also, your assumption here is bullshit for most people who OC.
I have rarely seen people open carry. While I live in AR now, I am in Texas every day as I live in a border city. The first guy I saw open carrying in TX as est I can recall, literally swaggered into whatever store I was in with his strong hand and arm so far out from his body it could only have been because he was showing off. I guarantee he would have made an easy target for a gun takeaway. Other than him, I have seen very few folks open carry. There is one local guy here that I see often at the dog park. He wears a total piece of crap nylon holster that hangs at an odd angle, my guess is that if someone grabbed the holster and tugged hard the whole thing would rip off of his belt. I can only imagine he wears it like that to show it off by being tacticool.
As for me I rarely open carry; about the only time I do so is when going out to my car to grab something and I don't put on a shirt or jacket to cover it and when I go hunting (which has not been for a while). You can, of course, do as you please but I believe open carry is asking for trouble. While there may have been zero problems to date, sooner or later there will be someone who has his gun grabbed by a bad guy or a group pf bad guys or a guy who gets shot during a crime merely because the bad guy saw the handgun. I see no reason to tempt fate.
Of course, some folks have to open carry. They are mostly police officers or others in law enforcement who are in uniform. They probably amount, by far, to the greatest number of people who open carry. They have their guns taken away and are shot by their own guns all too often. That is why concealable body armor is usually required to be at least able to stop the handgun rounds that the officers in any given department are carrying.
While some walk around with their heads in a cloud thinking no one will ever take my gun away from me, stuff like that happens to those carrying openly. Mostly it seems to LE officers but then again that is likely because they are the ones who make up most of the folks who open carry. Here are a few links to and a video of some examples of gun takeaways from people open carrying:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...uspect-grabs-officer-s-gun-in-nyc/ar-AA1n5gFC
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...police-officer-and-a-suspect-shoot-each-other
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/m...art-has-gun-snatched-and-a-shot-fired-at-him/
17-year-old steals gun from man at Dunkin’, shoots him to death in parking lot, police say
Police pulled surveillance video and said they quickly figured out that the suspect was staying at a nearby motel.
VIDEO: Man snatches gun from man at Detroit gas station counter
Anyone with information is asked to contact the Detroit Police Department at 313-596-1240 or Crime Stoppers at 1-800-Speak-Up.
I have had to fight for my life in two instances of bad guys (all illegal aliens) trying to take away my handgun. Luckily I survived both. I also had a homeless bum approach me in a parking lot in AZ after the wind blew my jacket up and he saw my pistol. He approached me saying something like so you have a pistol. His started to come at me, put his arms out in front of him, then started moving faster toward me as if he was going to grab for it. He was probably 20 years younger than me. I took a defensive posture getting my car in between him and me and placed my hand on the grips. When I told him if he took one more step I'd open fire, he stopped; it took a moment more to convince him that I was dead serious. He ran away. I reported it to the police who as far as I am aware did nothing. My pistol as probably in open view less than 2 seconds but criminals are opportunists and he started to act on what he thought was an opportunity. I was in my mid fifties at that time, I guess he was in his young to mid twenties; he must have thought me an easy mark but soon realized he had guessed wrong. While no one may ever try to take your gun away from you, the truth is you raise the risk of it a takeaway or of you being shot during the commission of a crime by displaying it openly. You can choose for yourself, I choose to carry concealed and believe me I try to be more aware of the wind ever since then.
Most people don't knowingly engage with criminals as police do. And if you open carry without some situational awareness, then maybe you shouldn't be carrying at all. I don't stop from going outside because I might get hit by lightning, but people have been known to get hit by it. You do you, I'll do me.
No if asked to leave you have to leave or be trespassed. My feeling is signs need to be unenforceable like in other states, because they don't protect anyone and the right to have you trespassed solves their problem with guns. They can still put up their signs and you will know how they feel about Guns and that you should keep it concealed so they don't know you have a gun and you can be safe.
In Texas, yes. TPC 30.05
Your pastor can have you trespassed for farting in church once you’ve been given notice to depart and fail to do so.
What a truly missing the point reply in my opinion. It is not what you said that is important that "Most people don't knowingly engage with criminals as police do." That is kind of important but not the ay you meant it. It isimportant that the criminal element knowingly engages with you - why because you let them see you handgun - when you do not expect it. Don't you get it, I even included three links to examples of non-LEOs having their firearms taken away because, in part, they were exposed. Situational awareness is wonderful but criminals are also situationally aware. They are aware that you cannot possibly be aware of the entire situation around you at any given time! So yeah, while you are right that most folks don't engage knowingly with criminals, that is exactly what criminals do to their victims - they knowingly engage with you. They wait until you are counting your money to pay the cashier, are you going to be counting it, or are doing something that distracts you from looking elsewhere or swiveling your head side to side looking for bad guys. Be realistic.They are the predators and when they see opportunistic prey they pounce. You want to show off your pistol go right ahead as I said and made very clear in my post, I was not telling anyone what to do so I do not need you reiterating to me what I already said by telling me "You do you and I'll do me". As I made it absolutely clear in my post: "You can choose for yourself". In no way shape or form did I tell anyone to do it my way. I just off? Do you go outside in a storm and walk on a golf course with your golf club held straight up high over your head - really do you - because that is akin to wearing open carry out in public as far as I am concerned. But again as I plainly said: "You can choose for yourself".
I open carried a nice S&W 19-3 this weekend. Not really a gun that's easily concealed so figured f-it. Nice open top 1791 K frame leather. Went to the range and to HEB and errands after. Only three of four double take glances. Gotta admit, if I'm in the Hood and open carry, I'm using a retention holster.
Is there any evidence that criminals engage people that open carry more often than any other? And don't use police interactions, that has nothing to do with the general public.
General Zod
TGT Addict
Yes, I know you are. It says a lot about you.
You asking me a question about something that was not part of the discussion. It is not relevant to the conversation. While I stated that police officers are probably more frequentlysubjected to takeaways (and I ill not take them out of the ictire because you claim they are not part of the general public; how insulting can you be!!!) I never said anything about open carriers being more subject to criminals engaging them than people whom criminasl accost in general. Now that you brought it up though, what I would not hesitate to guess is that open carriers are more likely, than are concealed carriers, to become targets of opportunity for criminals seeking to takeaway a gun from an armed person. It only seems logical as criminals would be much less likely to realize a concealed carrier is in fact carrying; so, that would be my guess. That said, I must point out again that what you asked was not really relevant to the conversation. I love it how when someone has done no research himself he comes abck at the other person by twisting around the subject by asking non-relevant questions to try to confuse the issue.
