Nashville shooting - female shooter?

[General Zod]

I'm not following this closely.

Has the fbi released their "manifesto" yet or is it still being written?

They're not releasing much of anything. Too much to hide or alter. No inventory of what was in its room, no description of any of the writings except in the faguest of terms...

Frankly, though, I'm amazed it's still in the news. I hadn't counted on the "poor oppressed transgender" angle to make this creature some kind of martyr.

 

[seeker_two]

What amazes me is the vehemence that some people have in opposing any school employee from being armed, including screaming that "teachers don't need to be cops"...when all we suggest is giving them the option of being able to be more than just a human shield for the first couple of shots.

I lost a friend over this who decided that I "wanted her daughter to die" because I advocated protecting children rather than eliminating the rights of law abiding people. Couldn't get it through her head that the best way to keep those kids alive would be to shoot back...and that I'd rather her daughter had an option to protect the kids than just having the option of dying with them.

Sometimes, the only cure for stupid is a forceful slap of reality....

 

[General Zod]

Sometimes, the only cure for stupid is a forceful slap of reality....

Some people hide from reality far longer than is rational.

 

[easy rider]

Some people hide from reality far longer than is rational.

I am convinced that there are many that have no concept of reality.

 

[General Zod]

I am convinced that there are many that have no concept of reality.

When their reality is dictated to them through a liberal lens, yeah...

 

[BigRed]

I am convinced that there are many that have no concept of reality.

Indeed

 

[toddnjoyce]

They're not releasing much of anything. Too much to hide or alter. No inventory of what was in its room...

Inventory from the search has been released. 4 pages scanned/uploaded by NY Post.

Police found suicide note, shotgun and ammunition during search of Nashville shooter Audrey Hale’s home

Investigators recovered a suicide note and further evidence in a new search of Nashville school shooter Audrey Hale’s home, according to a report.

nypost.com

Nothing earth shattering, but nobody wants to accept Hale was mentally ill and under psychiatric care to include medication. Trying to understand why the mentally ill do what they do is a waste of time.

Unless the idea is that Hale and the murders were just a Soros-backed false flag.

 

[General Zod]

Inventory from the search has been released. 4 pages scanned/uploaded by NY Post.

Police found suicide note, shotgun and ammunition during search of Nashville shooter Audrey Hale’s home

Investigators recovered a suicide note and further evidence in a new search of Nashville school shooter Audrey Hale’s home, according to a report.

nypost.com

Nothing earth shattering, but nobody wants to accept Hale was mentally ill and under psychiatric care to include medication. Trying to understand why the mentally ill do what they do is a waste of time.

Unless the idea is that Hale and the murders were just a Soros-backed false flag.

Last I saw the inventory was only being discussed in general terms. Though it was mentioned that it had been planning its murders for months.

 

[Rhino]

This is where armed school employees are better than hired guards & LEOs. We do get to know our kids...and we get protective. How many unarmed school employees have died protecting students? And how many would still be alive if they could have shot back?

Let school employees with LTCs carry at school....or get used to the body count.

The only problem with that theory is if you don't have those school employees choose to carry, and if they do, they don't really have time to stay proficient. I'm for it, but it's not "bulletproof" and we should recognize that.

 

[rotor]

The teachers I know, and I only know women teachers, would not carry and even if they had a gun in hand would die before shooting a bad guy(girl). Maybe it's something ingrained and also why they are teachers. Just assuming that armed teachers would make a difference is an assumption that may not be true.

 

[General Zod]

The teachers I know, and I only know women teachers, would not carry and even if they had a gun in hand would die before shooting a bad guy(girl). Maybe it's something ingrained and also why they are teachers. Just assuming that armed teachers would make a difference is an assumption that may not be true.

Teachers aren't the only staff members at a school...and are less likely to be the first adults encountered by an intruder.

 

[rotor]

Teachers aren't the only staff members at a school...and are less likely to be the first adults encountered by an intruder.

I agree but everyone seems to talk about arming teachers, the ones I know are not pro 2A or capable of using a gun even if their life depended on it. My small sampling though. Now my wife (not a teacher), that's a different story.

 

[Axxe55]

Nashville police find suicide note, yearbooks, weapons, ammo at school shooter Audrey Hale’s home: report

Nashville police reportedly released a list of 47 items found at Covenant School shooter Audrey Hale's home, including a suicide note, yearbooks, weapons and ammunition.

www.foxnews.com

Can somebody help me out with this one?

I do not recall Jesus murdering people.

A FEEBLEAND PATHETIC ATTEMPT TO JUSTIFY WHAT HAPPENED!

 

[General Zod]

I agree but everyone seems to talk about arming teachers, the ones I know are not pro 2A or capable of using a gun even if their life depended on it. My small sampling though. Now my wife (not a teacher), that's a different story.

I've known a small number of teachers who might, but you're right - teaching colleges are so liberal any thoughts of defense or individual responsibility are driven from their minds. But...there's coaches, some administrators...

Of course, I'm mostly experienced with suburban and rural school districts, which will skew the results somewhat..

 

[Axxe55]

I've known a small number of teachers who might, but you're right - teaching colleges are so liberal any thoughts of defense or individual responsibility are driven from their minds. But...there's coaches, some administrators...

Of course, I'm mostly experienced with suburban and rural school districts, which will skew the results somewhat..

BUT EVEN IF YOU ONLY HAD A VERY FEW TEACHERS OR ADMINISTRATORS THAT WERE ARMED IT COULD MAKE ALL THE DIFFERENCE IN A SCHOOL SHOOTING EVENT!

 

[General Zod]

BUT EVEN IF YOU ONLY HAD A VERY FEW TEACHERS OR ADMINISTRATORS THAT WERE ARMED IT COULD MAKE ALL THE DIFFERENCE IN A SCHOOL SHOOTING EVENT!

All it takes is one person pointing a firearm and most of these cowards off themselves. Even if they don't, having someone shoot back before the cops arrive (and sometimes lounge around outside...) is never part of their plan.

 

[seeker_two]

I've known a small number of teachers who might, but you're right - teaching colleges are so liberal any thoughts of defense or individual responsibility are driven from their minds. But...there's coaches, some administrators...

Of course, I'm mostly experienced with suburban and rural school districts, which will skew the results somewhat..

I'm not a teacher (Behavior Specialist). I've been trying to get onto the School Guardian program since the beginning of the school year, but I've been stonewalled the whole time. Our administration thinks that having only a few (single-digits) Guardians on each campus is enough. I disagree....especially when I've known of several days that each campus has had NO Guardians in attendance d/t illness, training, etc. They don't understand the concept of defense in depth/volume.

I know many of our school employees (teachers, paraprofessionals, maintenance/janitors, etc) who have LTCs that would be willing to carry on the job. But, with state law and administration biases, we will have to face any armed threat with empty hands and the "hopes and well wishes" of those who keep us disarmed. The School Marshal and School Guardian programs are just another form of may-issue carry....something SCOTUS has already ruled unconstitutional.

As for proficiency, that can be addressed in a two-tier system. If school personnel are in a "reaction team" (i.e. hunt the murderer down) role, then higher proficiency should be required. The training involved in the School Guardian program is sufficient for that need. However, that role isn't for everyone. The ones who choose not to participate should still be allowed to defend their classroom/office with a useful tool. And defending against a "home invasion" doesn't require any more specialized training than defending your actual home.....barricade up, watch the door, and shoot back at anyone shooting at you.

This ain't rocket surgery.....it's basic human rights.....

 

[oldag]

This says it all (from a related story):

"A liberal transgender pastor compared Nashville shooter Audrey Hale to Jesus being betrayed and crucified less than a week after Hale murdered six people at a Christian school."

That pastor needs to read the Bible.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

BUT EVEN IF YOU ONLY HAD A VERY FEW TEACHERS OR ADMINISTRATORS THAT WERE ARMED IT COULD MAKE ALL THE DIFFERENCE IN A SCHOOL SHOOTING EVENT!

The Nashville school did have them, at least 1 or 2 that served as school security according to the 911 call. How did they do? Well, zero shots fired. Shooter not stopped.

The Nashville Police still haven't figured out if any such individuals were on campus when the shooting happened. This is a problem for such volunteer programs. Not all volunteers are consistent in their jobs.

"Arming the teachers" isn't apt to work in this sort of situation unless the shooter just happens to find one of the particular teachers who is armed. Most teachers, particularly with little kids like in Nashville, are not apt to abandon their students behind and go on a kill mission to find the shooter. Non-teaching staff might do a better job in the sense of being free of the direct student burden, but again, if that was the case for Nashville, they didn't do very well.

Let's say a couple of the teachers were armed. In this case, there is a high likelihood that they evacuated with their classes and hence were not even in the school to stop the shooter.

I am not against arming the teachers or the staff, but do think they need additional training and there needs to be formalized procedures in place for them as they ARE providing the actual security. With that said, there needs to also be some realistic expectations on how they will preform and what they will perform. We should not expect teachers to abandon their kids to go in search of the shooter. That just isn't likely to happen, particularly for younger kids. Staff members who may go after the shooter aren't apt to be wearing body armor like full time armed security. So, they will be more vulnerable and hence may not be nearly as effective. They aren't apt to have the training of a professional SRO, either, so their skill level is apt to be less than that of the SRO.

Could they make a difference? Absolutely. Will they make a difference. Maybe.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Isn't that like most people with an LTC?

They might not actively "hunt" a shooter, but can provide defense if they come in contact with.