Libertarian?!

[Big Green]

Thinking out loud.

If I vote for Libertarian, or other party that has slim chance of winning, some may say I’m throwing my vote away or my vote doesn’t count. I’m told I need to hold my nose and vote for the lesser of two evils, the candidate that will do me less harm. Not the best candidate or the candidate that aligns most closely to my values.

What if I lived in a blue county where the republican had essentially zero chance of winning. If I vote republican, because I feel they hold the closest views to mine, even though I know the more dangerous candidate will win, what’s the difference? At that point, shouldn’t I vote for less dangerous democrat? If you live in Harris, or Tarrant or other similar counties, are you throwing your vote away voting for a republican that won’t win?

 

[RaySendero]

IF, If, if:

If you really think you have to vote demonrat
because of the area you live;
You need to move!

 

[m5215]

Conan the Libertarian​

I would vote for him. I am sure he would quickly get all our problems resolved.

 

[oldag]

If Teddy couldn't make it with his Bull Moose party, and Perot with his name recognition and millions, how can I expect any unknown to have a serious run?

 

[smittyb]

If Teddy couldn't make it with his Bull Moose party, and Perot with his name recognition and millions, how can I expect any unknown to have a serious run?

Different times. Social media And internet is key. Here we are talking about an unknown on A gun forum.

 

[rotor]

Thinking out loud.


What if I lived in a blue county where the republican had essentially zero chance of winning. If I vote republican, because I feel they hold the closest views to mine, even though I know the more dangerous candidate will win, what’s the difference? At that point, shouldn’t I vote for less dangerous democrat? If you live in Harris, or Tarrant or other similar counties, are you throwing your vote away voting for a republican that won’t win?

I would suggest in this case that you vote democrat in the primary for the least likely democrat to win in the general election. Than vote republican in the general election. I voted for HRC over Obama in the primary, it didn't work but I tried.

 

[oldag]

Different times. Social media And internet is key. Here we are talking about an unknown on A gun forum.

And who in the past 15 years has made any kind of serious run? No one has even come close to TR or Perot, who were in the stone ages before twitter and bookface.

 

[Mowingmaniac 24/7]

Vote for President Trump and quit spinning on your wrists....

 

[smittyb]

And who in the past 15 years has made any kind of serious run? No one has even come close to TR or Perot, who were in the stone ages before twitter and bookface.

Seriously? Trump was an outsider with little chance of winning. Obama was an even greater long shot at the start.
And yes, while neither were third party, I don’t see either getting the nomination 30 years ago.

 

[RaySendero]

Seriously? Trump .....

Yes "Seriously" Donald Trump.
smittyb, Look for a reason to vote Trump 2020.

 

[TheDan]

 

[single stack]

A vote for a third party candidate in a Democratic stronghold simply adds to the perception of a greater plurality for those in power, emboldening them further.

 

[Axxe55]

Seriously? Trump was an outsider with little chance of winning. Obama was an even greater long shot at the start.
And yes, while neither were third party, I don’t see either getting the nomination 30 years ago.

Obama had a following. He was very successful at preaching Hope and Change, (didn't deliver it though!) and many I suspect, voted for him simply because he was black. He was very talented at telling people what they wanted to hear.

Trump is an extremely wealthy, and recognized name. He was very successful at campaigning to people that felt left out for too many years, the common, and average American. He spoke about making America great again. He made promises that people wanted to believe could come true. He delivered on those promises.

 

[TheDan]

 

[Mowingmaniac 24/7]

The photo of sleeping joe is not current.

He hasn't looked that young in years.

 

[smittyb]

Obama had a following. He was very successful at preaching Hope and Change, (didn't deliver it though!) and many I suspect, voted for him simply because he was black. He was very talented at telling people what they wanted to hear.

Trump is an extremely wealthy, and recognized name. He was very successful at campaigning to people that felt left out for too many years, the common, and average American. He spoke about making America great again. He made promises that people wanted to believe could come true. He delivered on those promises.

Obama was an unknown freshman senator at the start of the campaign cycle. Hell half his constituents hadn’t heard of him.

 

[Axxe55]

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That's all fine and dandy, but up until about a week ago when SmittyB mentioned her, I had never heard of Jorgensen. So if an average person such as myself, who does lean more to a libertarian viewpoint hasn't heard of her, and she's not out actively campaigning, what about others? No rallies, or TV commercials, and no other exposure that I have seen, makes me wonder just how serious she is about running.

You don't start training for a marathon, the day before the race!

 

[smittyb]

That's all fine and dandy, but up until about a week ago when SmittyB mentioned her, I had never heard of Jorgensen. So if an average person such as myself, who does lean more to a libertarian viewpoint hasn't heard of her, and she's not out actively campaigning, what about others? No rallies, or TV commercials, and no other exposure that I have seen, makes me wonder just how serious she is about running.

You don't start training for a marathon, the day before the race!

LOL, I’m not the one who started this thread!
It takes millions of dollars to start campaigning a year in advance, something the RNC and DNC can provide, but not the Libertarian party.

 

[Axxe55]

Obama was an unknown freshman senator at the start of the campaign cycle. Hell half his constituents hadn’t heard of him.

But did he start campaigning just five months before the election? Best of my recollection, he started over a year before the general election.

 

[TheDan]

That's all fine and dandy, but up until about a week ago when SmittyB mentioned her, I had never heard of Jorgensen.

Yes you've highlighted your lack of interest several times already. She didn't appear out of thin air at the convention last month.

The mainstream media refuses to air anyone libertarian related, included libertarian leaning Republicans. One of the goals of the party every year is to poll high enough to be allowed in the debates.