Let's Talk About FAL's

[Moonpie]

OP needs a SIG PE57

 

[mp_tx]

If I was going to spend that kind of money, I’d rather go for a Galil or HK in .308.

I thought a .308 Galil would be cool, so I got one. Although sexy looking, it’s not that pleasant to shoot and sits in the safe. My FAL’s get much more exercise.


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[dennisz]

I'm intrigued by the FAL and would like to have one (or five). I just don't know enough about them. A friend of mine sent me the link to this now completed auction:

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/869573468

I sure like the looks of that one but, man, $4900 is a lot of money. I think that's actually a pretty normal price for these.

I know I want the real FN and I think a Styer import is a nice way to go.

Who has a FAL? What's your take on them?

Just pull a few more wisdom teeth, there’s the funds.

 

[Eli]

There's actually 2 separate and distinct FALs, they share only a common caliber - 7.62 NATO - one design by Fabrique Nationale Herstal, properly called Fusil Automatique Léger, and commonly known as the FN FAL; the other is the Beretta Fucile Automatico Leggero BM 59 - commonly known as the BM59.
I'm much more a fan of the Beretta over the FN, I call the FN 'EFFEN FAIL' because that's what it seemed to always do. The only war I recall it winning was the '67 'Six-Day War' between Israel and her arab neighbors, it's arguable the FN FAL lost the Falklands War as the Brits were armed with L1A1s.
The FN has way too many parts, way to many screws, way too many failure points, and an inferior tilting breechblock that rips cartridge rims off much more often than rotating bolt or delayed-blowback designs.
As a curio, or collector's item, go for it. As a SHTF rifle, not so much!

Eli

 

[smittyb]

Umm, wow.

 

[Sam7sf]

Had one. Don’t miss it. I like the way they look though. The rat tail recoil system can sometimes have issues, too.

 

[TX OMFS]

It would be a history & fun piece, not a SHTF rifle.

 

[TX OMFS]

There's actually 2 separate and distinct FALs, they share only a common caliber - 7.62 NATO - one design by Fabrique Nationale Herstal, properly called Fusil Automatique Léger, and commonly known as the FN FAL; the other is the Beretta Fucile Automatico Leggero BM 59 - commonly known as the BM59.
I'm much more a fan of the Beretta over the FN, I call the FN 'EFFEN FAIL' because that's what it seemed to always do. The only war I recall it winning was the '67 'Six-Day War' between Israel and her arab neighbors, it's arguable the FN FAL lost the Falklands War as the Brits were armed with L1A1s.
The FN has way too many parts, way to many screws, way too many failure points, and an inferior tilting breechblock that rips cartridge rims off much more often than rotating bolt or delayed-blowback designs.
As a curio, or collector's item, go for it. As a SHTF rifle, not so much!

Eli

Good info here. Thanks! I have some research to do.

 

[TX OMFS]

OP needs a SIG PE57

Nice rifle.

https://www.firearmsnews.com/editorial/sig-pe57-battle-rifle/365057

 

[robertc1024]

Nice rifle.

https://www.firearmsnews.com/editorial/sig-pe57-battle-rifle/365057

Agree, but damn - pricey!

 

[zackmars]

There's actually 2 separate and distinct FALs, they share only a common caliber - 7.62 NATO - one design by Fabrique Nationale Herstal, properly called Fusil Automatique Léger, and commonly known as the FN FAL; the other is the Beretta Fucile Automatico Leggero BM 59 - commonly known as the BM59.
I'm much more a fan of the Beretta over the FN, I call the FN 'EFFEN FAIL' because that's what it seemed to always do. The only war I recall it winning was the '67 'Six-Day War' between Israel and her arab neighbors, it's arguable the FN FAL lost the Falklands War as the Brits were armed with L1A1s.
The FN has way too many parts, way to many screws, way too many failure points, and an inferior tilting breechblock that rips cartridge rims off much more often than rotating bolt or delayed-blowback designs.
As a curio, or collector's item, go for it. As a SHTF rifle, not so much!

Eli

Wat.jpg

 

[smittyb]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beretta_BM_59

BM 59 is in no way shape or form a FAL

 

[zackmars]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beretta_BM_59

BM 59 is in no way shape or form a FAL

And to add, none of the battle rifles had particularly amazing service records, EXCEPT the FAL. The FAL saw plenty of use in Vietnam with the Australians, and stayed in service far longer than the M14

There isn't a big difference between metric and inch pattern FALs. There are parts that are not interchangeable, but the inch pattern was certainly not a clean sheet design. Saying "the FAL loat the Falklands war because the Brits had the L1A1" is a very silly statement

 

[baboon]

Nice rifle.

https://www.firearmsnews.com/editorial/sig-pe57-battle-rifle/365057

Sig PE57 & AMT where to top tier drool guns. I remember one gun shop having them on display. At the same time I hated the AR-15 for the slinky in the fixed stock sound. Now I have more AR's then anything.

 

[rl96ss]

I've always wanted one.
It's a bit confusing though, figuring out good/bad receivers and parts and what should be paid for them.

 

[Moonpie]

Agree, but damn - pricey!

Why has OP not posted pics of his new PE57?

 

[Sasquatch]

One cannot properly LARP as a Rhodesian without a FAL and a good pair of short shorts.

 

[baboon]

One cannot properly LARP as a Rhodesian without a FAL and a good pair of short shorts.

I explained the shorts in another thread about hunting in africa.

 

[Sasquatch]

I explained the shorts in another thread about hunting in africa.

I know you did. But it stands - if you wanna dress like a Rhodesian, you need short shorts and a FAL - anything else is a sad imitation.

 

[Eli]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beretta_BM_59

BM 59 is in no way shape or form a FAL

Incorrect. As I said, the FN is the Fusil Automatique Léger, while the Beretta is the Fucile Automatico Leggero. Beretta formally called it FAL BM 59, the Italian military called it FAL, similar to the commercial AR-15 is called M16 Rifle (or, as circumstances dictate, M4 Carbine) in American military service - or, inversely, the FN FAL is called G1, StG-58, etc., in military terms.

And to add, none of the battle rifles had particularly amazing service records, EXCEPT the FAL. The FAL saw plenty of use in Vietnam with the Australians, and stayed in service far longer than the M14

There isn't a big difference between metric and inch pattern FALs. There are parts that are not interchangeable, but the inch pattern was certainly not a clean sheet design. Saying "the FAL loat the Falklands war because the Brits had the L1A1" is a very silly statement

You completely missed my point about the side equipped with the FN FAL losing nearly every conflict it was involved in, with the notable exception of the Six-Day War. I prefaced my statement concerning the Falklands war that it is arguable.
By the way, the M14 has been in military service for the United States for over 60 years, I'm not sure the FN FAL is in 1st-world military service anywhere - and not even Imbel is producing all the necessary parts any more, only DSA remains as a new manufacturer.
Only the G3 design remains as a current-military-production battle rifle, although the BM59 is reportedly produced in Indonesia as the SP-1 as needed.

Eli