Help with LTC shooting test

[SQLGeek]

Does anyone see a problem with a bunch of people running around the streets with guns and no training?

I believe in constitutional carry so.....

Should people get training and experience? Yes. But I don't want to require it by law.

 

[Coiled]

He told us not in his class. Only hand guns

.32 caliber minimum, otherwise he doesn't get to make his own rules. You could qual with SW500 if you wanted.

EDIT:
2019-2020 edition
Sec. 411.188. HANDGUN PROFICIENCY REQUIREMENT.
(a) The director by rule shall establish minimum standards for handgun proficiency and shall develop a course to teach handgun proficiency and examinations to measure handgun proficiency. The course to teach handgun proficiency is required for each person who seeks to obtain a license and must contain training sessions divided into two parts. One part of the course must be classroom instruction and the other part must be range instruction and an actual demonstration by the applicant of the applicant's ability to safely and proficiently use a handgun. An applicant must be able to demonstrate, at a minimum, the degree of proficiency that is required to effectively
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operate a handgun. The department shall distribute the standards, course requirements, and examinations on request to any qualified handgun instructor or approved online course provider seeking to administer the course or a part of the course as described by Subsection (b).

2017-2018 edition
GC §411.188. HANDGUN PROFICIENCY REQUIREMENT.
(a) The director by rule shall establish minimum standards for handgun proficiency and shall develop a course to teach handgun proficiency and examinations to measure handgun proficiency. The course to teach handgun proficiency is required for each person who seeks to obtain a license and must contain training sessions divided into two parts. One part of the course must be classroom instruction and the other part must be range instruction and an actual demonstration by the applicant of the applicant’s ability to safely and proficiently use a handgun. An applicant must be able to demonstrate, at a minimum, the degree of proficiency that is required to effectively operate a handgun of.32 caliber or above. The department shall distribute the standards, course requirements, and examinations on request to any qualified handgun instructor.

 

[SQLGeek]

.32 caliber minimum, otherwise he doesn't get to make his own rules. You could qual with SW500 if you wanted.

There isn't a minimum caliber requirement anymore. It was removed during the 2017 Legislative Session.

He could qualify with a .22 Single Six.

 

[Tinieblo]

1st off, welcome
2nd, revolvers and SA pistols are both handguns.

Unfortunately you got a d*** instructor, I think you should name him here for the benefit of others and report him to DPS. It is his responsibility to determine an individuals proficiency in the LTC setting. Tell him you want to take the shooting test as required by law and what you've already paid for.

I am considering file a complaint with DPS but for now I just need to find a place to do the shooting range portion and give him the certificate of that test so he can issue my certificate of completion.

 

[SQLGeek]

You're going to have to find an LTC instructor who will conduct the test. You might try calling ranges to see if they have an LTC instructor who'd be willing to.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

I am considering file a complaint with DPS but for now I just need to find a place to do the shooting range portion and give him the certificate of that test so he can issue my certificate of completion.

If you learn the basics, he should give you the shooting part himself.
Just meet up at one of his classes.
You shouldn't have to pay for someone else to do the shooting test.

 

[Tinieblo]

If you learn the basics, he should give you the shooting part himself.
Just meet up at one of his classes.
You shouldn't have to pay for someone else to do the shooting test.

I agree. My issue is that he only do the test with hand guns. And I don't have a hand gun and he will charge me 60+ dollars for a rental and 2 boxes if ammo. I think for less money I can do the test with a instructor willing to help

 

[TX OMFS]

Please post the name of the guy.

I have a friend that is an LTC instructor in Helotes if you want to drive all the way down here.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

I agree. My issue is that he only do the test with hand guns. And I don't have a hand gun and he will charge me 60+ dollars for a rental and 2 boxes if ammo. I think for less money I can do the test with a instructor willing to help

I guess I missed that part.
I would think the range would rent you a gun for much less than that.
Typically $20, or less.

 

[oohrah]

This isn't about hand gun proficiency. Unless he disclosed all of this up front before collecting a fee, allowing you to make a choice, this is about an unscrupulous businessman making up his own rules in exception to state law and gouging with hidden add-ons. Regardless of what you do, you should report this guy to DPS

 

[Renegade]

He told us not in his class. Only hand guns

Name this asshole.

 

[Coiled]

There isn't a minimum caliber requirement anymore. It was removed during the 2017 Legislative Session.

He could qualify with a .22 Single Six.

Well crap. I downloaded the 2019-2020 edition before my post then accessed the old version for my reg quote. You're right, tks.

 

[majormadmax]

That's BS. I'd demand a refund and find a competent LTC course.

In the interim, find someone who can show you the mechanics of shooting a semi-automatic handgun.

Or you can use the revolver you have. Texas state law allows it, and so should the LTC instructor!

 

[Renegade]

Does anyone see a problem with a bunch of people running around the streets with guns and no training?

I have not see a problem with it.

Can you provide a link to examples where a LTC with no training caused a problem?

 

[Tinieblo]

Name this *******.

I know I should name him , but honestly I don't want to hurt his business or reputation. Not the purpose of this post. I just need my certificate of completion and my LTC license. I think he will damage his own reputation

 

[Coiled]

I know I should name him , but honestly I don't want to hurt his business or reputation. Not the purpose of this post. I just need my certificate of completion and my LTC license. I think he will damage his own reputation

If you're telling the truth you're not hurting his business, he is. I can understand you waiting until all your LTC docs are in order but a forum is to discuss and help others and by naming him, that is what you'd be doing.

 

[TexasRedneck]

You DO need to name him - or at least message me his name. I want to ensure that he's not endorsed by TSRA as an Instructor - or the NRA. If he is, I'm going to be trying to get those endorsements revoked.

As others have mentioned, revolvers are perfectly legal to use in qualifying AND carrying - and as such, if that's what you intend to use, it's stupid to require you to qualify with something you're not going to be carrying. I'd politely inform him that he either allows you to qualify with your state-compliant weapon or you will be filing a complaint with DPS.

BTW - he hosed you on the class fees, at least by comparison to local instructors. If you're willing to come down to the Schertz/Cibolo area, I've got a buddy that charges $40 for the full LTC course, plus whatever the actual range fee is. http://guardian.epsilon3.com/schedule.html

 

[Renegade]

I know I should name him , but honestly I don't want to hurt his business or reputation. Not the purpose of this post. I just need my certificate of completion and my LTC license. I think he will damage his own reputation

What goes around comes around. His reputation cannot be damaged if nobody names him.

 

[TexasRedneck]

Oh - he also offers the combined Basic Pistol Course and LTC course for $85! So yeah - PLEASE name this dude!

 

[V-Tach]

Demand your LTC 100 with only the classroom portion filled out. Take it to another instructor for the qualification.

If it is as described , your instructor is an unscrupulous scalawag of douche bag proportion.