EXACTLY THERE IS NO COMPARISON BETWEEN K &K AND JOHN BROWNINGBROWNING HAD HUNFREDS OF PATENTS ON GUNSAND MANY OF HIS GUN DESIGNS ARE STILL ON THE MARKET CURRENTLY!Its an extreme apples and oranges comparison.
Far too much credit given to H&K who merely made simple feature improvements upon the real innovation made 50 years earlier.
If it weren't for the turn of the century design developments made by the likes of Mauser, Mannlicker and Colt's, the Mk23 would not exist, certainly not as you now know it.
I agree with all of this- I have no idea of the current value, but I have close to 20 mags..I hated the trigger pull, liked the look and grip, thought disassembly was cool including removing the striker. Paid around $360 for it, and traded it for a Kimber LE in the 90’s. The size hight of the VP70Z was just too large for my likings then.
Kind of regret trading it, but with 5 magazines, the magazine were worth more than the pistol, and Kimbers’ were good back then…
The fist polymer striker pistol… do you know what their current value is?
Clearly you're a tacti-cool boy who already knows all there is to know.It was more the Government Contract Requirements/Requests and who could build a better pistol. Clearly H&K won. Clearly after that design the USP came out with the fist rail, which others changed from Sig to Glock.
Even Browning based his designs on prior pistols and most of them from the 1911 to the High Power were modified and changed by others.
Evolution of firearms.
Clearly you're a tacti-cool boy who already knows all there is to know.
But I'll remind that H&K clearly didn't come around until well after all the dust had settled from the major innovations that I identified, and H&K's innovations were clearly relatively very minor.
By simple nature of what the OHWS program required, none of the guns were really good.Clearly you missed how I mentioned that H&K was following the Government requirements/requests.
But H&K did make the winning pistol for the OHWS contract, and did release the USP that brought those features first to the market and made them mainstream features of many firearms who followed.
As you call me tacti-cool boy, I would argue I am pointing out facts you might not to accept for your own personal bias, hate, and prejudice. My brand loyalty is more to Colt and the 1911. Yes, as retired Infantryman, who served in combat with SEAL’s and SF, and retired as a police officer, I like military weapons, tactical weapons, etc… that’s why I made the video, showing what Colt and H&K made for the OHWS trial. Do you think Colt made a better pistol? That the Colt preformed better?
Clearly you're a tacti-cool boy who already knows all there is to know.
But I'll remind that H&K clearly didn't come around until well after all the dust had settled from the major innovations that I identified, and H&K's innovations were clearly relatively very minor.
$650.00 -$1200.00for pistols, $65.00 per magazines/I agree with all of this- I have no idea of the current value, but I have close to 20 mags..
It was my first pistol, so I’ll probably never sell it. I really wanted a P7M8, which I found and purchased a short time later.
$650.00 -$1200.00for pistols, $65.00 per magazines/
I grab my MP5 K over a M23 any day as far as size & weight go.By simple nature of what the OHWS program required, none of the guns were really good.
Yeah the HK works, but damn it's almost as big as a desert eagle
They tend to show up more @ auction of collectors. A friend bought one late 70's shot it & put it away. A few years later he bought one in 9X21IMI. IICR only 400 of those were ever built, with few being imported in to America.Thanks. Back during the gun ban era, the magazines were going for over $100. I was thinking they might be up to $200 by now. Guess I traded at a good time.
My old buddy the Village Idiot bought a Styer GB pistol. His crazy wife thru away all the magazines to the gun. I found him magazines at $165.00 each.Thanks. Back during the gun ban era, the magazines were going for over $100. I was thinking they might be up to $200 by now. Guess I traded at a good time.
The top in my safe is filled with 1911s, no H&K. By my scoring, 1911 won!It was more the Government Contract Requirements/Requests and who could build a better pistol. Clearly H&K won...
Very very very very familiar.The 1911 may be low-tech; but its faults are minor & very familiar.
It will do the job.