H&K led the way.

[justmax]

My old buddy the Village Idiot bought a Styer GB pistol. His crazy wife thru away all the magazines to the gun. I found him magazines at $165.00 each.

crazy EX wife I assume...

 

[CavCop]

Great video presentation.

But,

I’ll stick with my 1911. . . . .

Thanks anyway.

Oh, I have some 1911’s… draws full.
My profile pic is probably 1911 too.

 

[seeker_two]

HK's prestige went down significantly after trying to foist the 4.8mm PDW on NATO through the courts. They haven't innovated much after that....

 

[zackmars]

HK's prestige went down significantly after trying to foist the 4.8mm PDW on NATO through the courts. They haven't innovated much after that....

Hk prestige is a lot of marketing. They certainly make great stuff, but you gotta sex stuff up big time to make it with volksturm level tech

I honestly think the NATO PDW program is kinda dumb, and nothing more than a slap fight between FN and HK. I'd personally take the Mp7.

 

[baboon]

HK's prestige went down significantly after trying to foist the 4.8mm PDW on NATO through the courts. They haven't innovated much after that....

Having shot the H&K MP7A1 is like the the progression of a SAA Colt to the MP5K, then the MP5K to the MP7A1.

Only weapon I had sighted an optic in, in 3 shots. I noticed post sample for sale here in the last week for $36K. That says a whole shit load about a gun besides very limited supply.

Something else we all need to remember is who even is the current owners of H&K? Compagnie de Développement de l’Eau (CDE), are the current owners. Who owns them?

 

[jimbo]

Thanks CavCop. Your videos are very interesting.

 

[Axxe55]

The 1911 may be low-tech; but its faults are minor & very familiar.

It will do the job.

LOW-TECH! PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST COPIEDGUN DESIGNS EVER!WHAT FAULTS?

 

[Spence1875]

I like HKs and all, have owned a bunch and my P7M8 although it was to complicated for harsh environments or use, it is still one of my favorites and one of the most accurate guns I shot, only better production guns for accuracy were the HK P9S in 45 and a P-210 Sig.

Back to the original post, the Mark 23 was goat rope and classic example of the military procurement system that spec'd way too many requirements into it from too many groups resulting in a pistol that was so large it was basically never used by anyone other than for photo ops or the range.

I can tell where I saw a lot of Mark 23s, as matter of a fact hundreds of them, it was at Crane Naval Weapons Depot in Indiana when I was last there in 2009 do some business with them. They had pallets of them brand new never fired complete deployment kits with cans. They were looking for any DOD or other USG entity that would want them and none did. I am sure they all ended up getting crunched.

 

[CavCop]

I like HKs and all, have owned a bunch and my P7M8 although it was to complicated for harsh environments or use, it is still one of my favorites and one of the most accurate guns I shot, only better production guns for accuracy were the HK P9S in 45 and a P-210 Sig.

Back to the original post, the Mark 23 was goat rope and classic example of the military procurement system that spec'd way too many requirements into it from too many groups resulting in a pistol that was so large it was basically never used by anyone other than for photo ops or the range.

I can tell where I saw a lot of Mark 23s, as matter of a fact hundreds of them, it was at Crane Naval Weapons Depot in Indiana when I was last there in 2009 do some business with them. They had pallets of them brand new never fired complete deployment kits with cans. They were looking for any DOD or other USG entity that would want them and none did. I am sure they all ended up getting crunched.

The P7 was a neat blow back used by a few police agencies with good results.

Circa 2008-2009 I was in Iraq and worked with some tier 1 guys in the RPC (Radwaniyah Palace Complex). Learned only admin carried the Mk23’s, a few had USP’s in 45, the FN SCAR was disliked and not used, the SR-25’s outshot the M110’s (both made by Knights Armament, the SR25’s had obermyer sp? barrels that were amazing for a semi auto).

I bought my tan Mark 23 I think after that tour.

Way over built for a pistol. It would be nice if the CMP sold off the excess ones to the public.

 

[candcallen]

Very very very very familiar.

Yep. It why all the cold dead hands pics have the dead guy with a jammed 1911.

Lol

 

[Spence1875]

I love my 1911s, the ones I have smithed, my RRA and multiple SA Custom Shop Pros, when I went to Iraq and Afghanistan I could have brought my SA Pro 1911, but I carried a Glock 17. The 1911 is better in everyway to shoot except when it comes time to pulling the trigger in the worst of environments, then the Glock gets my, and most real professionals vote every time.

Still, if I could have one handgun it would be one of my 1911s or custom BHPs.

 

[CavCop]

I love my 1911s, the ones I have smithed, my RRA and multiple SA Custom Shop Pros, when I went to Iraq and Afghanistan I could have brought my SA Pro 1911, but I carried a Glock 17. The 1911 is better in everyway to shoot except when it comes time to pulling the trigger in the worst of environments, then the Glock gets my, and most real professionals vote every time.

Still, if I could have one handgun it would be one of my 1911s or custom BHPs.

I like 1911’s, got a draw full on them. The 5th Group SF guy’s carrier Colt 1911’s at the RPC, but used M9’s when we went out. Our M110’s got replaced with H&K M110A1’s.

 

[Txhighlander]

Well I can't answer to how innovative HK mk 23 is, never handled one much less shot one. I love 1911's an I can say up till this past year I avoided HK on general principle. However I tried one and now I have 2, 45c and usp elite 45. They are reliable, accurate, dependable, and of course expensive.

I prefer to carry 45 acp in da/sa and the 45c meets that requirement. The elite is amazing and far more accurate than I am capable of. I am not a fan boy by any means but HK has earned my respect. They work well for me. Of course I will still carry a revolver from time to time and that makes me nuttier than squirrel poo in some eyes.

Cavcop thanks for the videos.

 

[10-96inTexas]

I don't know without doing some math, how many pistols I have. If it all came down to only being able to have ONE pistol and letting all the rest go I know which one I would keep. Which one I would depend on, which one I could count on. It would be my USP 40. Kind of like that old faithful dog that may not be the best in this or that category but it is the dog you would have by your side forever. That is my HK USP 40.

 

[A1Oni]

https://www.primerpeak.com/the-hk-vp70-the-most-important-bad-handgun-2022/ I will refer to my friend's article

 

[CavCop]

https://www.primerpeak.com/the-hk-vp70-the-most-important-bad-handgun-2022/ I will refer to my friend's article

I did like my VP70, but traded it for a Kimber 1911 LE back in the late 1990’s as I felt it was a good trade. I think I paid $350 for my VP70 and shot it quite a bit. The trigger is a longer heavy pull. Sights were never an issue for me. Accuracy was good, and the 18 round magazines neat for the time.

Taking it apart was fun and easy. The grip fit my hand well. The polymer held up fine. But it was lager/tall on the top for slide and grip.

But H&K did lead the way with the first major Polymer pistol. Now most pistols use Polymer, even some revolvers.

 

[Steve In Texas]

I will refer to my friend's article

You friend was kinder to the VP70's trigger than I would have been. I believe it is the worst trigger I have ever used on a functional firearm.

 

[glenbo]

When HK decided to no longer sell arms to Israel, I quit even thinking about owning another and sold the one I had. They can go **** themselves. Pardon my language.

 

[Sam7sf]

Hk makes me feel like an operator. Here’s a photo of me practicing my skills:

 

[mp_tx]

The P7 was a neat blow back used by a few police agencies with good results.

Circa 2008-2009 I was in Iraq and worked with some tier 1 guys in the RPC (Radwaniyah Palace Complex). Learned only admin carried the Mk23’s, a few had USP’s in 45, the FN SCAR was disliked and not used, the SR-25’s outshot the M110’s (both made by Knights Armament, the SR25’s had obermyer sp? barrels that were amazing for a semi auto).

I bought my tan Mark 23 I think after that tour.

Way over built for a pistol. It would be nice if the CMP sold off the excess ones to the public.

I am more interested in this mystery Tier 1 Infantry unit you served with that subbed in and out with SEALs and 5th Group missions, than the HK is the greatest debate. Please tell us more about this Infantry unit.