Gun modification
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Maverick44
Youngest old man on TGT.
Who doesn't?
That may have been me. They're just the most common modifications people do. I agree, it's quite a stretch to blame them for anything illegal.
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I guess you'd be in trouble if you had grips made from parts from an endangered animal.
This, without doubt!
Maverick44
Youngest old man on TGT.
Darn, I guess I'll have to throw out these ivory grips.I guess you'd be in trouble if you had grips made from parts from an endangered animal.
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OT Warning
Seriously, the new rules on ivory are pretty ridiculous: https://www.federalregister.gov/art...m_medium=email&utm_source=federalregister.gov
Any normal person (i.e., someone who wasn't paranoid a long time ago) who invested in ivory art objects just saw the value of their investment drop to zero.
You can throw them out but that would be a waste. I hope you like them, though, because you can (most likely) never sell them. You can, of course, give them away. PM me for an address to mail them.
Seriously, the new rules on ivory are pretty ridiculous: https://www.federalregister.gov/art...m_medium=email&utm_source=federalregister.gov
Any normal person (i.e., someone who wasn't paranoid a long time ago) who invested in ivory art objects just saw the value of their investment drop to zero.
OT Warning
You can throw them out but that would be a waste. I hope you like them, though, because you can (most likely) never sell them. You can, of course, give them away. PM me for an address to mail them.
Seriously, the new rules on ivory are pretty ridiculous: https://www.federalregister.gov/art...m_medium=email&utm_source=federalregister.gov
Any normal person (i.e., someone who wasn't paranoid a long time ago) who invested in ivory art objects just saw the value of their investment drop to zero.
I couldn't find out how old it has to be to be considered antique, or were they talking about taken from an antique elephant?
Still way OT warning
So let me simplify. There are too many different circumstances to cover them all, so I'll just abbreviate the rules for sales within the state. The rules become more difficult when you cross state lines and insanely difficult when you cross national borders.
To sell African elephant ivory in-state, the ivory must be either:
The bottom line is that if you have a piece of ivory you want to sell, you must have paperwork that documents it was legally imported. Basically, for the really old stuff, if you don't have a bill of sale showing it was sold in the U.S. prior to 1976, you're stuck with it. Even that may not be good enough. You really need exhaustive paperwork from the original importer to be on the safe side. Absent at least that bill of sale (for pre-76) or provably (with paperwork) meeting one of the two bulleted conditions, you can will it to your heirs or give it as a gift but you can never sell it.
Addendum 1: There is a complex exception to these rules for under-200-gram pieces that are a minority part of a larger object and don't really impact the value. That exception will almost never come into play. There are luthiers out there making money these days by removing ornamental pieces of ivory from antique guitars because it's illegal to sell them with the ivory still attached.
Addendum 2: All this applies to African elephant ivory only. Ivory from other species is still kosher. If you buy ivory, you'd better be able to tell the difference between African elephant ivory and walrus ivory; if you can't, you may find yourself committing a crime.
Antique ivory is over 100 years old. The "antique" exception only comes into play in interstate commerce and it's pretty useless. To prove that your ivory is antique, which you must do to make an interstate sale, you actually have to be able to document which port it came through when it entered the country, for example. How many people can do that?
So let me simplify. There are too many different circumstances to cover them all, so I'll just abbreviate the rules for sales within the state. The rules become more difficult when you cross state lines and insanely difficult when you cross national borders.
To sell African elephant ivory in-state, the ivory must be either:
- lawfully imported prior to the date the African elephant was listed in CITES Appendix I (January 18, 1990), or
- imported under a CITES pre-Convention certificate.
The bottom line is that if you have a piece of ivory you want to sell, you must have paperwork that documents it was legally imported. Basically, for the really old stuff, if you don't have a bill of sale showing it was sold in the U.S. prior to 1976, you're stuck with it. Even that may not be good enough. You really need exhaustive paperwork from the original importer to be on the safe side. Absent at least that bill of sale (for pre-76) or provably (with paperwork) meeting one of the two bulleted conditions, you can will it to your heirs or give it as a gift but you can never sell it.
Addendum 1: There is a complex exception to these rules for under-200-gram pieces that are a minority part of a larger object and don't really impact the value. That exception will almost never come into play. There are luthiers out there making money these days by removing ornamental pieces of ivory from antique guitars because it's illegal to sell them with the ivory still attached.
Addendum 2: All this applies to African elephant ivory only. Ivory from other species is still kosher. If you buy ivory, you'd better be able to tell the difference between African elephant ivory and walrus ivory; if you can't, you may find yourself committing a crime.
If I ever get the "urge" for ivory grips, I think I'll go with "imitation" ivory and not have to carry around documents.
Ivory from what animal? If it was from an African elephant and you didn't get a load of paperwork along with it, the seller committed a crime.
Most "authentic ivory grips" are anything but, BTW. Have you done a pin test on them yet?
Maverick44
Youngest old man on TGT.
Your also apparently on your phone.
Texas has no statewide law banning the use of cell phones while driving, nor does the city of Arlen...
Maverick44
Youngest old man on TGT.
No statewide law, but there's about 40 or so cities that do have bans, not to mention an officer could probably get you for something if they really wanted too.
As for Arlen, I heard they have the best propane and propane accessory store in Texas.
Tacticalmurse
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Dang it Bobby!
