Electric Vehicles here to stay, for good or bad?

[Tnhawk]

Looks like Tesla is expected to announce a reduction in deliveries for Q1. Sounds like most of the people who want EV’s already have them.

Hertz decision to dump a large part of its EV fleet will likely have an impact on the EV market.

 

[no2gates]

How much did that system cost?

71k

 

[Brains]

Assuming 100% of your energy needs on average are supplied by the system, and a utility average cost of electric at $300/mo. (including speculative future price increases), that means a 20 year payback. Ouch.

 

[EZ-E]

Assuming 100% of your energy needs on average are supplied by the system, and a utility average cost of electric at $300/mo. (including speculative future price increases), that means a 20 year payback. Ouch.

Factor maintenance cost over 20yrs I bet adds another $100 a month. My bill hasn't been over $250 in the 4yrs with our CO OP. It averages $165-200.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

I never had a $300 dollar electric bill until last summer.
I was getting them over $400.

 

[Grumps21]

I never had a $300 dollar electric bill until last summer.
I was getting them over $400.

Same here. Our absolute highest was around $220 or thereabouts until last summer. We had two months I think where we kissed the $400 mark. Now we are back in the $100 range

 

[no2gates]

Assuming 100% of your energy needs on average are supplied by the system, and a utility average cost of electric at $300/mo. (including speculative future price increases), that means a 20 year payback. Ouch.

I didn't get it for a payback, I got it because I had no power for 5 days in Feb 2021 and don't want to rely on the power company any longer.

 

[Tnhawk]

Assuming 100% of your energy needs on average are supplied by the system, and a utility average cost of electric at $300/mo. (including speculative future price increases), that means a 20 year payback. Ouch.

I like being independent of the grid during power outages but I will have to depend on my generator for a power outage.

 

[Axxe55]

I considered a Rivian for a minute, then I realized I need more than a 4 1/2 foot bed. I pick up animal feed, transport building materials, carry full loads up to camp, and dead deer back. I pull a trailer with 4 wheelers and the Rivian's range is cut almost in half when you put a load behind it. There are few if any chargers where we live and hunt. It's a no for me, dog.

A RIVIAN TRUCK WOULD BE PERFECT FOR OUR USE OF A TRUCK BUT IT'S A NO GO WHEN THE PRICE TAG ISOVER$90K!

 

[dsgrey]

I never had a $300 dollar electric bill until last summer.
I was getting them over $400.

25 years ago before deregulation when I paid over 15 cents kwh with TNMP, my big house with two most likely 8-seer heat pumps ran over $500 a month one hot summer. Smaller house now and the January cold snap had mine at $306 but it ran for 4 or 5 days. Several people in the neighborhood had bills that month between $700-$1000 but they probably had large homes and might be running a 20yo heat pump with no maintenance.

 

[Havok1]

I didn't get it for a payback, I got it because I had no power for 5 days in Feb 2021 and don't want to rely on the power company any longer.

So you have a battery bank for your house also? How long does it take to deplete/recharge those?

 

[no2gates]

So you have a battery bank for your house also? How long does it take to deplete/recharge those?

Yes I have a Tesla Powerwall 2 It charges all morning until around noon-ish when it reached 100%. On cloudy days, it might take until 2:00

 

[Havok1]

Yes I have a Tesla Powerwall 2 It charges all morning until around noon-ish when it reached 100%. On cloudy days, it might take until 2:00

Just one? I looked at a system, I think it was made by generac though, and was going to need two battery packs, and I still wasn’t going to be able to run my whole house as normal off that alone. I believe the cost was similar. Never looked into the Tesla system though since they didn’t want to send anyone out to the house for a quote.

 

[no2gates]

Just one? I looked at a system, I think it was made by generac though, and was going to need two battery packs, and I still wasn’t going to be able to run my whole house as normal off that alone. I believe the cost was similar. Never looked into the Tesla system though since they didn’t want to send anyone out to the house for a quote.

Yup, just one, that will supply 13kWh. It's just big enough to run the house over the night in most cases. If it's really hot or really cold out, we draw from the grid in the morning.
The only part of the system that's Tesla on mine is the Powerwall 2, the rest of the system is other manufacturers: 44 LG panels with Enphase micro inverters, and a Enphase controller system.

 

[cav2108541]

About 10 people I know have recently bought Teslas.
Tesla owners are becoming sort of a cult, proselytizing all the time.

Wishing to stay culturally literate, I went and test drove one today.

Jeeeeeezzus......
0-60 MPH between 2 massive electric motors in the diminutive little Model 3 in 3.2 seconds is just an indescribable exhilaration. And that's their entry level sedan.

Think how fast the chuck on your cordless Milwaukee drill reaches full speed and you will get the idea.

Never mind that the thing costs almost exactly the same as a new Ford Raptor.
It is amazing.

The still-to-come high end Tesla Roadster will do 0-60 in 1.9 seconds. Go 250 MPH and drive from Austin to to a Beto rally in El Paso without stoping once!! Oh. It's expensive.

Just about all the auto makers are about to introduce their respective versions.

HEY, THIS IS AMERICA. You should be able to buy whatever kind of vehicle you want, but the government needs to stay out of it. 20 years from now, they will either say "I used to have an EV, but they don't make them anymore", or "I used to have a gas or diesel vehicle but they don't make them anymore." The "don't make them anymore" part should be because no one wants one anymore, not because the government forced the manufacturers to stop making them for whatever BS reason.

 

[glenbo]

I just read where Nissan has cam out with a motor that makes electric cars a moot point. A friend of min says Toyota has another one.

Nissan's new 1.5L three cylinder engine producing 400 hp

Yes, a 1.5 liter turbo engine weighing only 88 lbs (40 kg) that produces 400 hp, it's called the DIG-T R. So forget about electric motors th...

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That's from 10 years ago.

 

[Aus_Schwaben]

7 EV charging stations are operational from Biden's infrastructure law

More than two years after President Joe Biden pledged to build 500,000 electric vehicle charging stations throughout the United States only seven are operational across four states.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I bet those one billion dollar charging station are something to see!

 

[TXAZ]

Most of it went to Biden2024 campaign friends to make donations.

 

[no2gates]

 

[Brains]

Let me show you my shocked face