Glen Beck will be at the Lincoln Memorial tomorrow.
Dont forget !!
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Um we live in Texas, how the F-CK does that help us???
Anything involving Glenn Beck will help us. Im actually going to keep the Fox News tuned in today. I want to see what this New Black Panther bunch of shit plans to do today. Their leader said they were going to meet Beck and the Lincoln Memorial.
Man look at all the people!!!!
This is turning out to be a great moment. A moment we should never forget.
I wonder what Obuma is doing right now?
Crowds Mass in Washington DC for Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin Rally
This is turning out to be a great moment. A moment we should never forget.
I wonder what Obuma is doing right now?
Crowds Mass in Washington DC for Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin Rally
Live feed!!! Restoring Honor Rally Live Ustream | Facebook
I was a very fine event. Glenn didnt discuss politics. The entire event was focused on Freedom and Religion. He never debated anything nor did he mention economics.
His message was simple. He want people to listen to God and reach deeper to find the best answer. He encouraged everyone to vote with good faith.
It watched the whole event, it was amazing. Washington never had so many people in it...............
The founding fathers must have really screwed things up then.
Actually, our founding fathers did consider this.
In writing the first amendment, they intended both the prevention of creating a "national religion" but also the seperation of church in state. Thus preventing any particular church (religion) from taking control of our government and creating their own laws.
Basically, preventing our country from being much like some european countries that were covertly being run more by the pope than the actual heirchy.
The "separation of church and state" was not meant to keep God out of the government but the government out of God.
"... no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinion in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish enlarge, or affect their civil capacities." J. F. Maclear, Church and state in the modern age: a documentary history (1995) p 65
Although religion cannot and should not support a single party or man\women running for office I have no problem with faith based values influencing the choice of the people at the ballot box.
Religion is common theme in the founding fathers lives. Faith and religion at these rallies shouldn't be discouraged as it was not the intent of the founding fathers.
James Madison said:
John Adams said:
Thomas Jefferson said:
Benjamn Franklin said:
Thomas Paine said:
The separation of Church and State is designed to protect the right to religious freedom without the Government butting in on it. To think that the founding fathers felt that our system of government were somehow based on faith is absurd. Some were Deists, many were atheists.
Twenty times, in the course of my late reading, have I been on the point of breaking out, 'this would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it!!!!' But in this exclamation, I should have been as fanatical as Bryant or Cleverly. Without religion, this world would be something not fit to be mentioned in public company—I mean hell. -John Adams
Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin were not religious.
I have sometimes thought there could not be a stronger testimony in favor of religion or against temporal enjoyments, even the most rational and manly, than for men who occupy the most honorable and gainful departments and [who] are rising in reputation and wealth, publicly to declare their unsatisfactoriness by becoming fervent advocates in the cause of Christ; and I wish you may give in your evidence in this way. - James Madison Letter of Madison to William Bradford (September 25, 1773)
Madison was a member of the committee that authored the 1776 Virginia Bill of Rights and approved of its clause declaring that:
It is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian forbearance, love, and charity toward each other.
If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself. James Madison Federalist No. 51
So if you agree with me in the separation of church and state, why would you sarcastically state that the founding fathers "must have screwed up"?
Key words. Mutual independence.
Hm.
Sounds to me like the founding fathers had no intention of there being faith at Mr. Beck's rally.
James Madison said:
Key words. Mutual independence.
Hm.
Sounds to me like the founding fathers had no intention of there being faith at Mr. Beck's rally.
Jefferson was at least somewhat religious, Franklin has always been pretty enigmatic in so many areas of his life... Jefferson was definitely not a fan of organized religion, or of the dogma that it ran on. He even went so far as to create his own heavily edited version of the Bible, removing the supernatural aspects and some of what he thought of as intentional misinterpretations that were added to it. It was more about Jesus' life and became a philosophy work. I'd love to get my hands on a copy someday and give it a read...
