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Discussion in 'General Firearms & Ammo' started by Nick!, Aug 17, 2019.
Push that button. Hold it down. Then duct tape it in the pushed position.
I skipped a lot of this, but let's rewind some. You won't really see coyotes often. Stray dogs perhaps, and *maybe* --- MAYBE a coyote.
Coyotes don't attack people or dogs. They may screw with cats, rabbits, sick animals... but they're basically dogs in terms of behavior that are very scared of people and other animals. They rarely kill anything. They'll take wounded animals, eat dead things, and RARELY actually kill. They may go after a calf that was just born, or eat on a cow giving birth (in a very not so pleasant way). So for farmers and land owners, they can be a problem. If you get between a parent and pup, they can get aggressive. If they are starving or sick they can get weird... and they use roads as boundary markers.
Bobcats--- you REALLY shouldn't see. They don't let you see them until they're absolutely ready for it. They're a difficult animal to hunt. They'll kill cats, small dogs, fawns, etc.... they ARE a predatory animal unlike coyotes. Bobcats are hunters and damn good ones. There's a much higher chance it was a house cat than a bobcat. I've killed 3 bobcats in the past year, and not seen a single one with the naked eye--- and only one of those three could you have seen. (Thermal. Two in tall grass stalking from a couple hundred yards out, one didn't know I was there and attached a raccoon.)
Why that's important... if you're popping them while walking your dog, that's bad bad news. As in, you may as well shoot a deer that's standing in your neighbors drive way from the road while kids are getting on the school bus 10 feet away. There's a number of things that local LE could get you on, and the scary ones are what the wardens could do in terms of illegal hunting. So it has to be very clear self defense if they're getting shot off the road. In order to prove that, you're going to have to really know animal behavior and know how they operate. If you saw a bobcat, it wasn't going to attack you. If it was going to attack the dog, 99.9% chance you wouldn't have seen it until it did. If it was a coyote, it was probably extremely sick and then you have a case for shooting it due to a rabies threat. In that case, it probably had trouble walking, was out in the day, and didn't hear the best.
WHAT gun is down the line... there's a bunch more to really understand before thinking on the choice of the gun. (Same in terms of self defense from 2 legged people... the "should I shoot" is more important than what tool to use.)
Obviously I'm not opposed to popping them, as there's a bobcat mounted above half a shelf of large coyote and bobcat skulls in my living room. Just be careful, it's an easy thing to get hemmed up on.
It is difficult to read anything else you wrote when. That last sentence is wrong.
You really should read the thread.
My two cents is wild animals are unpredictable so it is best to be prepared. Anyone that says making noise or saying scram will always work is ill informed. It is best to be prepared. I live in a much more rural area than the poster and never go out on my land without a side arm. I have coyotes, bobcats, hogs, and my personal "favorite" venomous snakes. What I carry is a Taurus Judge 3" barrel loaded with 410 shells with a #2-4 shot. Why? It is light and easy to carry. Being a revolver it never malfunctions. The 410 will scare most predators away, but if not the #2-4 load will severely impede their ability to attack. Also the 410 load is unlikely to cause you any problems with a round beyond the target which should be a consideration in a more urban environment. I chose the Judge/410 primarily because of the snake thing, but I think it is a good choice in the scenario of this thread.
I also went back and read read, and my post touches on a lot of that wasn't even hinted at in the thread about their behavior. If you were referring to "coyotes don't attach people or dogs" as being wrong... it's not. Coyotes aren't going after healthy adults or healthy dogs. It's just not their behavior. There's a MUCH higher chance of a feral dog, cross breed, or just aggressive pet dog attacking. I'm sure squirrels have jumped on someone and bit them as well. As have rats, and all kinds of other animals. Point is, it's abnormal behavior for a healthy coyote to attack a person or someone walking their dog. Has it happened, sure... but it's not AT ALL normal. Coyotes are yippy little dogs scared of people, they aren't blood thirsty jogger killers.
If you're referring to the last couple of sentences in the post about having a bunch of skulls and the mounted bobcat... the cats get mounted because I respect them as apex predators. They're amazing animals. The coyotes are similar, I respect them. They also get shot because the population in some places is all kinds of screwed up. The bobcats ate all the turkey, killed fawns, and killed the neighbors exotics. (The babies). The coyotes screw with the newborn calves. They were overpopulated.
If it was the VERY last, yes, it's easy to get arrested for. Be it discharge of a firearm, be it animal cruelty (you shot someones pet shepherd puppy), be it hunting from a road way, hunting without a license, poaching, there's all sorts of stuff you could get charged for if you just shot at a 'bobcat' because you were walking the dog and were 'scared.' You can't just go around a populated area shooting animals because you don't know how they behave and think nature is going to attack you.
I'll stress it again, think about "should I shoot" not "what tool." A person jogging could run over and beat you up, sure. Carry a gun, be aware of your surroundings, but because another person is out jogging doesn't mean you should shoot them and say they were going to attack you. Same with animals in a populated area.
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Rat shot could be an option.
Weird abnormal things happen all the time man... there's always some sort of strange one-off situation. Because a coyote is attacking people doesn't mean coyotes as a species attack people. Humans don't eat their own biological waste products, but someone out there probably does.
I would bet anything that coyote is either sick, was raised in captivity to be aggressive, or something else really strange is wrong.
For every one example of a coyote attacking someone without being provoked, I bet there's FAR more attacks from 2 legged people. I bet there's a TREMENDOUS amount more people attacked by dogs, even dogs that didn't seem aggressive at first.
The only time I've had coyotes come after me was when they were rabid...twice. I've spent many years hunting them and being in open country, typically they are headed the other way.
But... if you want to carry then might as well carry a 9 or whatever, .22 will be plenty loud so you aren't saving many decibels if that is your criteria. My EDCs are Sig 365, Springfield XDS 45, Taurus G2 9mm. The Sig is my primary but I really dig my cheap ol G2 (yeah, it has a trigger, SS striker housing and rod/spring).... anyway. The Sig with the standard 10 rd mag is super light and a small package and will pack much more of a punch than let's say.. my Walther P22.
And yeah, you will need your license to carry outside of the home so when you crack off a round you don't find yourself in jail.
Or hell.. a 3 iron works well too... I had to use one many years ago while walking down the street when someone's psycho Dobie (I like Dobermans) came after me.. hated to do it but he wanted my ass and he was a big boy that wouldn't give up.