Black Talons

[preyn2]

IIRC, Black Talons were the top of the line back in the day, but were removed from the market due to their name being somewhat too...aggressive. Also, the anti-gunners managed to spread the lie that the round opens up and tears through flesh like a buzz saw, or words to that effect.

 

[winchster]

IIRC, Black Talons were the top of the line back in the day, but were removed from the market due to their name being somewhat too...aggressive. Also, the anti-gunners managed to spread the lie that the round opens up and tears through flesh like a buzz saw, or words to that effect.

Found these today while viewing another of his videos.

 

[erratadata]

Found these today while viewing another of his videos.

Winchester Black Talon vs. Body Armor! Testing the "Teflon Bullet" Myth - YouTube

Winchester Black Talon vs. T-Series! 1992 Bullet Tech Compared to Today - YouTube

Interesting stuff. The BT's seem to be effective enough for the time being. I may decide to shoot them up after I find some Ranger-T's at a reasonable price to replace them.

 

[TaoJones1066]

I keep Ranger-T +P in my 9mm, and Black Talons in my .45.

 

[fgarcia3441]

IIRC, Black Talons were the top of the line back in the day, but were removed from the market due to their name being somewhat too...aggressive. Also, the anti-gunners managed to spread the lie that the round opens up and tears through flesh like a buzz saw, or words to that effect.

I remember the bashing campaign, I was living in Florida and they were classified as "Cop Killers", used by the Colombian and drug dealers in the street of South Florida.

 

[M. Sage]

Just make sure none of them have setback from being chambered multiple times over the years.

This. A friend of mine had a bunch of them, and they were set waaaaaayyyyyy back. Pulled a few to recycle, and wound up just giving him half a box of HST.

FWIW, the Talons weren't all that; they just got a bunch of media hype for absolutely no reason other than their mean-sounding name and scary appearance. There are bullets out today that meet or exceed their performance. Unless you're an ammo collector, they're basically range ammo, IMO.

 

[M. Sage]

They look interesting. They remind me of what we used to do with .22's as a kid. We'd cut an "X" in the top of the lead bullet with a razor blade, and it would open up similar to that. Made quite a difference in squirrel hunting.

Look at their gel images. More expansion means more frontal area, which means more drag, which means less penetration. Their performance in gelatin is very unimpressive.

 

[sonuvaTXgun]

Look at their gel images. More expansion means more frontal area, which means more drag, which means less penetration. Their performance in gelatin is very unimpressive.

Less penetration but a more serious open wound, not to mention stopping power. You still wouldn't want to get shot with one of these, regardless.

 

[Glockster69]

Define stopping power ....

http://www.texasguntalk.com/forums/...37-er-drs-view-gsws-~-9mm-vs-45-vs-rifle.html

 

[sonuvaTXgun]

Handgun Stopping Power: Sizing Up Your Options

This article explains it best.

 

[40Arpent]

IIRC, Black Talons were the top of the line back in the day, but were removed from the market due to their name being somewhat too...aggressive. Also, the anti-gunners managed to spread the lie that the round opens up and tears through flesh like a buzz saw, or words to that effect.

it wasn't a lie. When a Black Talon enters the body, it speeds up and every couple inches it changes direction and keeps going until it has devastatingly destroyed every major organ in the body, but not before entering the brain and turning it into white jello. Truth.

 

[erratadata]

it wasn't a lie. When a Black Talon enters the body, it speeds up and every couple inches it changes direction and keeps going until it has devastatingly destroyed every major organ in the body, but not before entering the brain and turning it into white jello. Truth.

Must be, I read it on the internet. But I think it severs all major arteries before it goes to the brain.

 

[Younggun]

it wasn't a lie. When a Black Talon enters the body, it speeds up and every couple inches it changes direction and keeps going until it has devastatingly destroyed every major organ in the body, but not before entering the brain and turning it into white jello. Truth.

Lol

 

[Younggun]

Less penetration but a more serious open wound, not to mention stopping power. You still wouldn't want to get shot with one of these, regardless.

Stopping power had become a catch phrase for marketing, much like "knockdown power". Both are misleading. Expansion is good but meaningless without adequate penetration. Adequate penetration is always good even with out expansion, but if you can have both it's more better.

 

[winchster]

it wasn't a lie. When a Black Talon enters the body, it speeds up and every couple inches it changes direction and keeps going until it has devastatingly destroyed every major organ in the body, but not before entering the brain and turning it into white jello. Truth.

You left out the most important part, it does all that after defeating level iv body armor.

 

[40Arpent]

You left out the most important part, it does all that after defeating level iv body armor.

Thanks...it felt like I'd forgotten something!

 

[General Zod]

Stopping power had become a catch phrase for marketing, much like "knockdown power". Both are misleading. Expansion is good but meaningless without adequate penetration. Adequate penetration is always good even with out expansion, but if you can have both it's more better.

If they marketed a round that, once fired, expanded in midair and hit the target exactly like a reinforced brick wall at 60mph without penetrating, I'd buy it. THAT is stopping power. It's also a slight violation of several laws of physics...

Otherwise, yeah, I'm gonna look for penetration and punch in the same round, and I'm gonna use several of them.

 

[Younggun]

If they marketed a round that, once fired, expanded in midair and hit the target exactly like a reinforced brick wall at 60mph without penetrating, I'd buy it. THAT is stopping power. It's also a slight violation of several laws of physics...

Otherwise, yeah, I'm gonna look for penetration and punch in the same round, and I'm gonna use several of them.

Rocket powered bullets? Solves the recoil problem.

 

[General Zod]

Rocket powered bullets? Solves the recoil problem.

They tried that with the GyroJet back in the '60s - it was great at 20 yards and above. But if you put a finger over the barrel you could stop the projectile dead.

 

[erratadata]

Rocket powered bullets? Solves the recoil problem.

Miniature bazookas. That's what we need.