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  • IXLR8

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    Entire U.S. Stealth Fighter Fleet Grounded

    In past few decades, the U.S. Air Force has spent untold billions researching and developing a family of stealth fighter jets that are supposed to be generations ahead of any dogfighters in the sky.

    But after building more than 170 F-22 Raptors and a handful of F-35 Joint Strike Fighters, not a single one is available for service. The Air Force currently has zero flyable stealth fighters. None.

    The vaunted F-22 has been grounded with a possible faulty oxygen system since May. Production of the last few Raptors is even on hold, because the jets can’t fly from the factory.


    Last week, test flights for the newer F-35 were suspended, too, because of a valve problem in the plane’s integrated power package. It’s the third time this year that JSFs have been forbidden to fly. Ground tests have resumed, and flight tests may resume as early as next week. Then again, they may not.

    Yesterday, the U.S. military committed to spending another $535 million to buy 38 more Joint Strike Fighters — a family of stealth jets that are supposed to become the multipurpose, affordable workhorses of tomorrow’s fleet. Ninety percent of America’s combat aviation power is eventually supposed to come from the jets’ three variants.

    But the jets have been anything but cheap. The current cost for the JSF program is $382 billion and rising for more than 2,400 aircraft. No wonder just about every major deficit reduction plan scales back the JSF effort in some way.

    And, at the moment, they’re not producing any combat power, either.

    Back in 2002, the plan was to have more than 90 JSFs flying by next year. As things currently stand, the Air Force and Navy might not get their variants until 2016. The Marines — who knows?

    For now, every available penny in the JSF program is tied up in getting the jets back into the air and their programs on track.

    “The so-called ‘fifth-generation’ fighters have certainly revolutionized U.S. air power,” Ares’ Bill Sweetman noted, “if not quite in the way anyone had in mind.”
     

    The Lox

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    Serious question here....How many Dog Fights have we been in in the last few conflicts where the stealthness would have helped us defeat the enemy with Air Superiority? Are their current planes not up to the job? Does the gov't really need to sink THAT much money into a failed project? How can they allow companies to charge us that much money for faulty products? Shit like this is what really boils my blood when we start talking about how much money could be saved government wise..That is a third of a billion dollars worth of FIATS on the ground...
     

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    Stealth isn't that helpful in dogfights (which are fairly rare, truth be told), but the technology has been handy and preserved American lives more than once, starting way back in Libya in the 80s.

    Stealth is good stuff for air to air combat, but it's simply awesome for protecting pilots from their real nemesis: SAMs.

    The F22 brings several things to the table beyond stealthiness. Supercruise (a cruise speed above Mach 1 - it can break the sound barrier without afterburners) and phenomenal maneuverability are two of the things it brings to the table.

    The maneuverability of the F22 is no joke. If you see it at an airshow, it's capable of doing things that a plane that size has no business doing.

    As far as your rant about a few billion dollars "burning you up", a few billion is a joke in terms of the federal budget. And at least those billions are being spent to legal ends, unlike every single social program funded by the feds.
     

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    DARPA Readies Hypersonic Aircraft for Mach 20 Launch Test - Yahoo! News

    maybe this has something to do with it? who needs stealth when you can fly at 13,000 mph

    That was the thinking behind the SR-71. 80,000 feet at 3.5 times the speed of sound (as far as they'll admit to). They got SAMs shot at them all the time, pilots said the warheads going off looked like implosions because they'd recede into the distance so fast.

    At speed, those engines were sucking in more air than your house holds in a single second. I've also heard that the plane was actually more fuel efficient the faster it was going. But the pilots literally had to watch skin temperature so that it wouldn't melt.
     

    Wolfwood

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    yeah, because at speed it would fatigue the metal and stretch shit out. when it wasn't going that fast it would leak fuel like crazy. apparently watching one take off at night was super sweet because it would leave a trail of fuel on the runway and the engines would ignite it leaving a trail of fire behind.

    thats what i read anyway.
     

    jethrodull

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    used to watch the "Habu" take off from Kadena AFB and never saw a "fire trail". But, it did leak like a sieve on the ground. They'd actually fill it up in the hangar, roll to hammerhead, fill again, then take off. Once off the ground, they'd hit the tanker and then go do their thing. Fun to watch!
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    Texas1911

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    If they're STEALTH planes, how do we know if they're grounded or if they're flying?.....

    Stealth just makes the radar signature smaller, it doesn't make the plane disappear. The AA crews and observers would have to guess right to nail one and gaining a lock via radar might be kinda hard to maintain. It just makes it harder and less obvious.

    Talk about putting the cart before the horse ...

    Engineer: "Mr. President, we built this plane to destroy any fighter built for the next 20 years, have no exhaust signature, ultra low radar signature, fly Mach 3.0, and it runs on used fry oil"
    President: "Does it fly?"
    Engineer: "... no"
    President: <facepalm>
     
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