150 Armed Militia take over Oregon Federal Building

[PhulesAu]

Monkeys and Staircase???? I Err Uhh Zoom right over my head.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

 

[TheDan]

Terrible video, but yeah... like that

 

[vmax]

This is a clip of BLM FEDS bragging about taking private land from two WW2 vets

 

[vmax]

The US Constitution says that the feds can only own land in two circumstances
Ten square miles in Washington DC and for the use of military forts and ports in the states with the permission of the state's

The rest of it is illegal folks

 

[TheDan]

The rest of it is illegal folks

You sound like one of those constitutional terrorists.



Good on you

 

[TheDan]

Had another thought on the legality... If the land became part of the state's when it was grated statehood, did the state then turn around and grant the land back to the federal government? If so, was that even legal for them to do? I know that the wildlife refuge was created via executive order from Teddy Roosevelt, but apparently the land was already "owned" by the federal government at that time. How did they come to this ownership when it should have belonged to Oregon?

 

[breakingcontact]

Had another thought on the legality... If the land became part of the state's when it was grated statehood, did the state then turn around and grant the land back to the federal government? If so, was that even legal for them to do? I know that the wildlife refuge was created via executive order from Teddy Roosevelt, but apparently the land was already "owned" by the federal government at that time. How did they come to this ownership when it should have belonged to Oregon?

I might have read it was reservation land.

 

[TheDan]

I might have read it was reservation land.

If that's the case then neither Oregon or the Feds owned it, and Teddy's EO would have been illegal.

 

[breakingcontact]

If that's the case then neither Oregon or the Feds owned it, and Teddy's EO would have been illegal.

I'd have to study the maps more but it looks like the Paiute Indians were kicked off their land and their reservation "discontinued" in the 1870s by the federal government when the Paiute joined in an Indian war against the fed gov with another tribe.

 

[breakingcontact]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...e-refuge-we-were-here-first-get-the-hell-out/

 

[zincwarrior]

The argument about whether the state owns it is not relevant. The Horatio Hornblowers illegally occupying the property (including evidently stealing government vehicles now) DON'T.

 

[shinnosuke]

The argument about whether the state owns it is not relevant. The Horatio Hornblowers illegally occupying the property (including evidently stealing government vehicles now) DON'T.

The same thing might be said about some tea that was spilled into a harbor in Boston.

 

[breakingcontact]

The argument about whether the state owns it is not relevant. The Horatio Hornblowers illegally occupying the property (including evidently stealing government vehicles now) DON'T.

Not relevant to discuss a topic...and I get called the fascist.

 

[zincwarrior]

The same thing might be said about some tea that was spilled into a harbor in Boston.

Only by an idiot.

At its most basic level, just because someone may dispute that you have full color of title to property, does not mean that someone-with no relation to anyone in the dispute- can then trespass on the property. Thats just an asinine concept. In essence if some random jerk says Shinnosuke doesn't own his house, Zincwarrior can't kick in the door, build a fire in your living room and start cooking up hotdogs.


At best it would belong to the previous owners-the natives who lived there. As it would not be part of the US they should be free and clear to go murderize the militia nuts, and scalp them Hollywood style.

Now that I think about it, well that sounds pretty fitting.

 

[zincwarrior]

Not relevant to discuss a topic...and I get called the fascist.

Who called you a Fascist? Did you at least get a cool uniform and secret decoder ring to go with it?

 

[breakingcontact]

Who called you a Fascist? Did you at least get a cool uniform and secret decoder ring to go with it?

Discussing the history of the land doesn't mean I am looking to grant it to those who occupy it today.

 

[zincwarrior]

Discussing the history of the land doesn't mean I am looking to grant it to those who occupy it today.

Gotcha. Not getting the Fascist reference though but thats ok.

I was thinking more along the lines that there are those using arguments about whether the Fed really owns something as an excuse for the militia guys.

 

[shinnosuke]

Only by an idiot.

At its most basic level, just because someone may dispute that you have full color of title to property, does not mean that someone-with no relation to anyone in the dispute- can then trespass on the property. Thats just an asinine concept. In essence if some random jerk says Shinnosuke doesn't own his house, Zincwarrior can't kick in the door, build a fire in your living room and start cooking up hotdogs.


At best it would belong to the previous owners-the natives who lived there. As it would not be part of the US they should be free and clear to go murderize the militia nuts, and scalp them Hollywood style.

Now that I think about it, well that sounds pretty fitting.

Normalcy bias...such a difficult thing to overcome.

 

[zincwarrior]

Its called chain of title. Neither the militia nutbags nor the original arsonists had it. They have no right to do anything on that park property, just as I have no right to walk into some random stranger's house and drink all their coffee.