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Gun owners are going to be the death of gun ownership
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From CNN (textbook case of what happens when two assholes meet):
As a male moviegoer texted, the man seated behind him objected, and asked the texter to put his phone away.
They argued several times, according to police and witnesses, and the man who was texting watched as the other man walked out of the theater. Curtis Reeves, a retired police officer, apparently went seeking a theater employee to complain about the texting, police said.
When Reeves returned, he was without a manager.
The man who had been texting, Chad Oulson, got up and turned to Reeves to ask him if he had gone to tell on him for his texting. Oulson reportedly said, in effect: I was just sending a message to my young daughter.
Voices were raised. Popcorn was thrown. And then came something unimaginable -- except maybe in a movie. A gunshot.
Seems to me the deceased made every effort he could to get himself killed, it worked.
ETA - Shooter claims Self-Defense:
According to the arrest report, Reeves claims that the victim struck him in the face with an unknown object and said that he was in fear of being attacked.
As a male moviegoer texted, the man seated behind him objected, and asked the texter to put his phone away.
They argued several times, according to police and witnesses, and the man who was texting watched as the other man walked out of the theater. Curtis Reeves, a retired police officer, apparently went seeking a theater employee to complain about the texting, police said.
When Reeves returned, he was without a manager.
The man who had been texting, Chad Oulson, got up and turned to Reeves to ask him if he had gone to tell on him for his texting. Oulson reportedly said, in effect: I was just sending a message to my young daughter.
Voices were raised. Popcorn was thrown. And then came something unimaginable -- except maybe in a movie. A gunshot.
Seems to me the deceased made every effort he could to get himself killed, it worked.
ETA - Shooter claims Self-Defense:
According to the arrest report, Reeves claims that the victim struck him in the face with an unknown object and said that he was in fear of being attacked.
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Yeah, there was no psych exam required
Based on what I have read, either of the two could have prevented this.
True, I was specifically talking about the re-qualification requirement though, and I do agree completely that either could have prevented it.
Your thinking is more dangerous than the very rare crazy CHL holder or retired LEO. Additionally, carrying is viewed as a privilege not a right. If it were a right we wouldn't need a license for it.
I'll take that challenge.
Speech? Outside of event permits, nope. Speak alone or online and nothing is required.
Religion? Nope.
Vote? Nope.
Move about freely? Nope.
Which other rights are licensed?
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In Texas, at least, hitting a 71 year old man is injury to the elderly, a felony assault. This happened in Florida, but would felony vs misdemeanor change anyone's mind?
Conjecturing on a news article is folly, but it certainly appears that had "Chad" not publicly exhibited an arrogant lack of consideration for others by behaving as if rules don't apply to him, he would probably still be around.
Harsh, and sad, but so is life.
Harsh, and sad, but so is life.
I'm familiar with the recent change. But no one (to my knowledge) has had to take psych exams before or after. Maybe I'm wrong because I didn't get around to getting my CHL until recently due to my day-to-day now involving the frequenting of places that are more known for crime. It's funny you mention the privilege / right aspect, because I don't believe our CHL's are exercising any right at all, but a privilege. Just like driving.
That said, I personally don't believe the government should have any say on something so fundamental to human existence as ownership of a weapon for defense. I believe it to be a god-given, human right. In essence...all the bill of rights...are just governmental granted rights, which are really just privileges in that respect. If the 2nd amendment wasn't there--we wouldn't have this "right".
So I agree that all the paperwork should really truly be omitted in all forms, because if it was a true RIGHT...the government wouldn't be involved anyway.
txinvestigator
TGT Addict
In Texas deadly force is not justified to prevent felonies. (Yes, I am well aware that there are 6 felonies listed in chapter 9 that justify deadly force) It IS justified to prevent the other's use or attempted use of unlawful deadly force. So it depends on the reasonable belief of the shooter. If he was assaulted, and IF that assault was deadly force, or he reasonably believed it was deadly force or the texter was attempting deadly force, then the shooter would be justified.
We just don't know at this point.
I can tell you this, I am not going to shoot someone over texting at a movie. I would not have been in the altercation. If someone was texting I would contact management without even addressing the texter. If I, for some reason, texted at a movie and was asked to stop, I would, and I would apologize.
Ego will get you or someone else killed.
Agreed but it appears even following your/my rules of contacting management without even addressing the texter, this confrontation was going to happen, as dead texter confronted shooter and asked if he went to manager.
Those aren't really treated as rights then... If you have to get permission for it, then it's not viewed as a right.
Personally I don't agree with any of it being a privilege; just pointing out that is how the government treats it.
txinvestigator
TGT Addict
Yeah, IF I were attacked in that situation I think I would have cleared out the theater; texter would have gotten a face of OC.
ROGER4314
Been Called "Flash" Since I Was A Kid!
I've smashed a wide selection of fools in my life but finally................I grew up! That kind of juvenile behavior is totally unacceptable. Working in the Texas prison system and being around Offenders who were incarcerated for doing the same crap I did so many times was a real eye opener!
Shooting someone to death over a cell phone is off the scale. The shooter was wrong. The law will make him suffer for that error in judgement.
Earning my CHL and carrying my pistol every day taught me a lot! That's probably the single most significant factor in my behavior change. I don't care if someone thinks I'm "chicken". Instead, I apologize and withdraw. If he follows me, continues to act aggressively, hits or threatens me, that's another matter. Words are hot air....nothing more.
Flash
Shooting someone to death over a cell phone is off the scale. The shooter was wrong. The law will make him suffer for that error in judgement.
Earning my CHL and carrying my pistol every day taught me a lot! That's probably the single most significant factor in my behavior change. I don't care if someone thinks I'm "chicken". Instead, I apologize and withdraw. If he follows me, continues to act aggressively, hits or threatens me, that's another matter. Words are hot air....nothing more.
Flash
No shit? I agree with you that it's viewed as a privilege. Now...tell me what ever single "licensed" privilege person must do to maintain that license? They have to re-qualify periodically, perform CE, and prove competency. Why should a gun owner's license be any different?
Now of course...since I don't believe gun ownership is a privilege but a human right...I would rather see it where we can carry as we see fit. But until that day comes, until we no longer require licenses as such, proving you're still competent to carry isn't outlandish or dangerous. It's simply showing the governmental bodies who issue your license you're not a danger to others in the carrying of such weapon.
To be honest...if EVERY SINGLE PERSON got a CHL in Texas...I think that would do more good than crazy OC guys walking around malls with an AR-15 on their backs scaring everyone. I think it would show through and through that Texans want to be able to carry, and if we pushed to have the permits repealed in Texas...a governmental representative, knowing that every constituent was a gun totin CHL holder, would likely see it our way or else he or she wont be in office much longer.
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Make sure someone is videoing, that would be epic.
I solve the Movie Theater jack-ass problem by having an 80inch TV, a Bose Sound System and Netflix. Will watch Lone Survivor in 3 months when it comes to BlueRay.
Although, had the "individual" not said anything to "the texter", the texter would not have known to turn around & accuse him of anything.
