I've been thinking seriously about a coach gun. But, I would prefer an 18" barrel. Maybe with exposed hammers too.
Suggestions requested for close range
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Also...CZ makes a nice hammer coach, so long as you don't mind those shoddy Turkish firearms.
I believe CZ shotguns are made by Yildiz in Turkey and made to a higher standard than many other Turkish shotguns.
Thanks Joe, and for the other pics too
In the next day or two we're gonna bring out all the shotguns so I can see what he already has but I know we've no double barrels and I like the looks of the coach gun and the way it loads...so yeah.
This is the way.
I've been watching for a Coach Gun, 12 gauge 3 inch chambers with hammers. The cheapest I think is about $300.00.
I think all coach guns are 20 inch barrels.
That ain't the kind of hip shooting I was talking about.
Turkey makes some pretty nice guns.
IMO, the hammer type coach guns are not ideal for SD applications.
1.) They're slow unless you train on them. I say this as an old SASS cowboy action shooter.
2.) Manipulating the hammers makes noise and takes time.
3.) There aren't many out there. Yes, there are a few. The CZ/Yildiz gun is damn expensive @$1000. The old Rossi Overland is a great gun but finding one is a chore and won't be cheap.
There are a couple of models of Chinese produced Colt SxS clones. These guns are heavy as hell. Heavy chunks of steel. Serviceable but somewhat ungainly due to the severe stock angle.
They cloned the late 1880 era style. There are a few other Chinese produced SxS's out there as well. These are junk. Parts for any of these will be a P.I.T.A. to find.
4.) The hammers can snag on things like bed covers, clothing, etc. This is where the hammerless gun wins. Not much to catch on things. Also faster on reload. Opening the gun re-cocks it. On a hammered gun it takes an extra step(two actually) to bring the gun back into full battery.
If it were me I would get a Stoeger gun, polish the chambers well, and remove the auto engage safety bar from the mechanism. This bar automatically engages the safety on break open.
It helps to imagine this gun as a dangerous game gun. When you need it you're gonna need it real bad. Anything and everything that can be simplified and omitted that could effect firing it quickly should be done. You're not going to be wanting to piddle with things getting it into action.
Remember you're probably going to be overamping on adrenaline so smooth and simple is key.
Polishing the chambers makes for easier/quicker UNLOADING of spent shells. Easily done using a bore brush and a bore mop with polishing compound on it using a drill.
As far as ammo, I'd recommend large shot. Large bird shot like BB or some similar buck size. 00 buck isn't always the best choice.
IMO, 20ga is better for smaller, older, less robust folks. Recoil IS an issue. Heavy loads out of a 12 will stomp the heck out of a frailer shooter.
I would also recommend leaving the buttstock on the gun. For short distance work the butt can be held under the arm alongside the torso held in place by the arm. Recoil is easily controlled and it gives more leverage if the muzzle is grabbed by a goblin.
This also allows the gun to used outside as a hunting gun. Longer shots are easy with a buttstock.
For optimal performance the buttstock will probably have to be cut down to fit. Any gunsmith worth a flip can do this simple mod.
Pistol grip shotguns suck ass all around. Fight me.
1.) They're slow unless you train on them. I say this as an old SASS cowboy action shooter.
2.) Manipulating the hammers makes noise and takes time.
3.) There aren't many out there. Yes, there are a few. The CZ/Yildiz gun is damn expensive @$1000. The old Rossi Overland is a great gun but finding one is a chore and won't be cheap.
There are a couple of models of Chinese produced Colt SxS clones. These guns are heavy as hell. Heavy chunks of steel. Serviceable but somewhat ungainly due to the severe stock angle.
They cloned the late 1880 era style. There are a few other Chinese produced SxS's out there as well. These are junk. Parts for any of these will be a P.I.T.A. to find.
4.) The hammers can snag on things like bed covers, clothing, etc. This is where the hammerless gun wins. Not much to catch on things. Also faster on reload. Opening the gun re-cocks it. On a hammered gun it takes an extra step(two actually) to bring the gun back into full battery.
If it were me I would get a Stoeger gun, polish the chambers well, and remove the auto engage safety bar from the mechanism. This bar automatically engages the safety on break open.
It helps to imagine this gun as a dangerous game gun. When you need it you're gonna need it real bad. Anything and everything that can be simplified and omitted that could effect firing it quickly should be done. You're not going to be wanting to piddle with things getting it into action.
Remember you're probably going to be overamping on adrenaline so smooth and simple is key.
Polishing the chambers makes for easier/quicker UNLOADING of spent shells. Easily done using a bore brush and a bore mop with polishing compound on it using a drill.
As far as ammo, I'd recommend large shot. Large bird shot like BB or some similar buck size. 00 buck isn't always the best choice.
IMO, 20ga is better for smaller, older, less robust folks. Recoil IS an issue. Heavy loads out of a 12 will stomp the heck out of a frailer shooter.
I would also recommend leaving the buttstock on the gun. For short distance work the butt can be held under the arm alongside the torso held in place by the arm. Recoil is easily controlled and it gives more leverage if the muzzle is grabbed by a goblin.
This also allows the gun to used outside as a hunting gun. Longer shots are easy with a buttstock.
For optimal performance the buttstock will probably have to be cut down to fit. Any gunsmith worth a flip can do this simple mod.
Pistol grip shotguns suck ass all around. Fight me.
Citadel makes an 18.5" coach gun. After reading Moonpie's post, I'm rethinking the exposed hammers.
Citadel Coach 12 Gauge Side-by-Side Shotgun with 18.5 Inch Blued Barrel and Walnut Stock
Citadel: Coach 12 Gauge Side-by-Side Shotgun with 18.5 Inch Blued Barrel and Walnut Stock for sale at Sportsman's Outdoor Superstore.
www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com
Were it me, and I had full use of both arms, I would get a 16"+- to 20" pump shotgun in both 20 ga. and 12 ga. Keeping one each side of the bed. Barring that, I don't see why a Judge, or Governor, loaded with buckshot wouldn't work.
Better yet, buy one that is already dehorned, slicked up, and tuned from a cowboy action shooter who has upgraded to a SKB.
That ^^ is what I was wanting and hoping to hear.
So much good information from you, my friend.
Thank you.
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