Ukraine invasion

[General Zod]

No.

I want to bid on some of those obsolete fully functional M60s

Sigh.

Whatever. You're in the wrong thread. You want this one: https://www.texasguntalk.com/thread...uy-if-i-did-not-have-so-many-expenses.116807/

 

[BigRed]

Sigh.

Whatever. You're in the wrong thread. You want this one: https://www.texasguntalk.com/thread...uy-if-i-did-not-have-so-many-expenses.116807/

I'm trying to help by freeing up all that cost of storing all that old obsolete stuff that needs to be cleared out!

 

[General Zod]

I'm trying to help by freeing up all that cost of storing all that old obsolete stuff that needs to be cleared out!

Yeah, whatever. Good evening to you. You're just being a smartass now, and I'm not going to play along.

 

[easy rider]

For the most part we really are not "spending" anything.

Its more like going through garage and boxing up a bunch of stuff for goodwill, then totalling up the NEW cost of the now used and obsolete (for our needs) items to say you gave away X-amount of dollars... the vehicles and equipment would have sat and rotted or at best been a range target.

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You really believe that? It's not just material we send in efforts to defend corrupt nations. Name one nation in the last 75 years the U.S. has been successful in nation building? How can we say we can help fix another countries strife when we can't even fix our own?

 

[General Zod]

Name one nation in the last 75 years the U.S. has been successful in nation building?

Japan
Germany
Italy
South Korea
Just off the top of my head.

 

[Cool 'Horn Luke]

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Are U familiar with the “Reconquista Doctrine” ?

Mexican radicals and socialist California Chicanos want Mexico to take California back.

Could be an improvement for the USA ?
.

Hell, it ain't just California they're after. They want Arizona, New Mexico, and most of Texas.

 

[easy rider]

Japan
Germany
Italy
South Korea
Just off the top of my head.

Japan, Germany and Italy was started more than 75 years ago. Korea? A small nation split in two. That's success?

 

[General Zod]

Japan, Germany and Italy was started more than 75 years ago. Korea? A small nation split in two. That's success?

Japan, Germany and Italy took well over a decade to get back on their feet. South Korea has become a very successful nation - maybe you should look into it.

Besides, we're not "nation building" in Ukraine. We're just giving them some tools to fight off an invasion from a country that is actively an adversary of ours.

 

[easy rider]

Japan, Germany and Italy took well over a decade to get back on their feet. South Korea has become a very successful nation - maybe you should look into it.

Besides, we're not "nation building" in Ukraine. We're just giving them some tools to fight off an invasion from a country that is actively an adversary of ours.

Korea was a stalemate, not a win. Certainly South Korea has flourished since then, but that wasn't what we were fighting for. If you believe the U.S. interest in Ukraine is just to give support to the people of Ukraine, I find that a bit naive. It goes much deeper than that.

 

[General Zod]

Korea was a stalemate, not a win. Certainly South Korea has flourished since then, but that wasn't what we were fighting for. If you believe the U.S. interest in Ukraine is just to give support to the people of Ukraine, I find that a bit naive. It goes much deeper than that.

For about the fifth time today, let me restate: Weakening Russia is well worth the pittance of help and outdated equipment we're giving Ukraine. Russia is an adversary that has directly clashed with us, including in combat against US troops. They are beating themselves against a wall in Ukraine and that alone is worthy of our support because it very much serves our interests.

And you are moving the goalposts. Korea was, as you point out, a stalemate. But that wasn't your question - you were asking about successful nation building. South Korea is a stable, successful nation and a regional military power that has started producing their own high quality military equipment along with the cars and heavy industry they've become known for. That right there is a success that we helped make happen.

 

[leVieux]

Hell, it ain't just California they're after. They want Arizona, New Mexico, and most of Texas.

Well, they can’t have any of Texas. I wonder how much Nuevo Mejico is worth ?

 

[General Zod]

Glad you find it funny, Easy Rider. It's all factual. Look up what happened in Syria in 2018 between the Wagner Group and the 4th Armored Division and 75th Rangers. Russia directly attacked US troops and got their asses handed to them.

Russia is not an ally. They are an adversary and often a direct opponent to us.

 

[easy rider]

Glad you find it funny, Easy Rider. It's all factual. Look up what happened in Syria in 2018 between the Wagner Group and the 4th Armored Division and 75th Rangers. Russia directly attacked US troops and got their asses handed to them.

Russia is not an ally. They are an adversary and often a direct opponent to us.

I'm laughing at pittance. You seem to just look at the small picture and ignore the bigger. Outdated equipment? Sure, tanks. That's it? no munitions?

How many javelins have we sent? Were those outdated? Were those a pittance? Not to mention other arms. How much are we giving to the other nations through NATO's donations, a pittance?

As for Syria? That's another can of worms.

I'll be damned if I start siding with the warmongers fattening the pockets of military contractors. I didn't like what the Bush administration was doing, and I'm sure as hell not going to justify what the Obama administration started. Will we look back and say "Thank God the Biden administration got us into Ukraine!"

 

[Armybrat]

I am serious.

Instead of giving the stuff away, sell it to US citizens....put some money back in the coffers.

What are you going to do with a Bradley or an Abrams… storm the Capitol?

 

[easy rider]

What are you going to do with a Bradley or an Abrams… storm the Capitol?

Careful what you say! The Patriot Act made it to where the government can spy on what you say, and the NDAA made it to where they can detain you indefinitely.

Remember when we had a 4th Amendment?

 

[Armybrat]

Seems like there are some dyed in the wool Russian sympathizers here.
Just like there were wannabe nazis in the German-American Bund prior to Pearl Harbor.

 

[General Zod]

How many javelins have we sent?

If Russia still has operational T-72s, T-90s and T-14s, then not enough.

And no, nobody will look back and say "thank God Biden got us into this" or anything of the sort. Although "why the **** didn't they give them armor and aircraft sooner" is likely. Especially when it becomes more obvious later how reluctant the administration was to send any aid, and how much Poland had to shame us into it by their example. But hey, at least they're doing better than Obama did when Russia invaded Crimea, and instead of munitions they sent blankets and MRE's.

 

[cycleguy2300]

Like the nonsense in Ukraine and Russia.

You say its not your battle, then keep fighting about it...

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[easy rider]

If Russia still has operational T-72s, T-90s and T-14s, then not enough.

And no, nobody will look back and say "thank God Biden got us into this" or anything of the sort. Although "why the **** didn't they give them armor and aircraft sooner" is likely. Especially when it becomes more obvious later how reluctant the administration was to send any aid, and how much Poland had to shame us into it by their example. But hey, at least they're doing better than Obama did when Russia invaded Crimea, and instead of munitions they sent blankets and MRE's.

Poland borders Ukraine. How close are our borders again?

 

[cycleguy2300]

I am serious.

Instead of giving the stuff away, sell it to US citizens....put some money back in the coffers.

I'd love for it all be surpluses and available if you can afford it.

But that will not happen and instead of it rotting or being shot up for "training" I am VERY glad for it to go to help kill some orcs.

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