Are Kimbers good to go, or trash?

[candcallen]

No. What I said was correct.

I know you think so. That's the point. You ignore what you want. It's ok we all have self induced blind spots. Yours seems to be sig 320 and kimber. Some are fanboys or brand snobs of other stuff.
The sun will rise tomorrow.

 

[Havok1]

I know you think so. That's the point. You ignore what you want. It's ok we all have self induced blind spots. Yours seems to be sig 320 and kimber. Some are fanboys or brand snobs of other stuff.
The sun will rise tomorrow.

Lol. So you think the 320 is a good gun? Not helping your case here. You can be fanboy or brand snob if you want. Perhaps you will find someone else who is more impressed with your word of mouth experience.

 

[candcallen]

Lol. So you think the 320 is a good gun? Not helping your case here. You can be fanboy or brand snob if you want. Perhaps you will find someone else who is more impressed with your word of mouth experience.

No, I seemed to remember you defending the platform. Apologies if I'm wrong. I'm certainly not pro gun going off for no reason in the holster cause of poor design.

 

[outdare]

I had a Kimber ultra carry in .40. It would fire three rounds then jam. Sent it back 3 times and it still jammed. Haven't owned a Kimber since.

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[Havok1]

No, it's not. You dismiss anything anyone says that disagrees with your position as "anecdotal" and demand scientifically complied and unassailable proof (which generally doesn't exist in any form any of us could access) of their knowledge, while offering nothing more than anecdotal evidence to back up your own position.

No. I dismiss the opinions of people who are not giving opinions based on experience owning the guns. One of the posters said himself that his experience with the guns was anecdotal, so no use in trying to argue against me on that. And you’re right, some of what I asked about is not readily available information. It was brought up for a reason, even if you don’t understand that reason.

 

[Havok1]

No, I seemed to remember you defending the platform. Apologies if I'm wrong. I'm certainly not pro gun going off for no reason in the holster cause of poor design.

No. I don’t like the gun, and won’t buy any guns from sig these days. I just simply didn’t believe a certain incident happened the way it was being reported if I remember correctly.

 

[candcallen]

No jokes about havok1 being an ignorant fool too stupid to learn from others bad experiences. That would be rude and narrow minded. We all take in information differently. Let stay civil.

I do have a question @Havok1 Do you have to experience vacume to know it will kill you? Or can you take others word for it. Serious question.

 

[SIG_Fiend]

At this point, I'm of the opinion that with 1911s, anything short of a $4k+ full build from a reputable 1911 builder is a project that will most likely need some form of work, even if minimal. Even semi-custom $2-3k 1911s from reputable manufacturers occasionally have issues. Don't get me wrong, people occasionally get even sub $1k 1911s that work well enough without major issues. I'd say it's the exception to the rule though.

It's the nature of the platform. You have dozens of potential problems that can occur due to issues in fitment, tension, and geometry of the extractor. There are potential issues with ejector length and nose angle. Also barrel feed ramp fitment, chamber, throat depth. Barrel hood/lug fitment. Barrel link fitment. Slide stop lobe length.... Not even mentioning the probably dozens of potential issues with magazines, magazine type, follower type, feed lips and feed angle types.

As far as Kimber goes, I've personally noticed an abnormal level of issues over roughly a couple dozen guns over ~15yrs. I've never owned one because I don't want the hassle. Had many friends who have. Also dealt with multiple rental guns which didn't last long from what I remember. Small sample size in the grand scheme of things, but it was at least a wide range of models over many years. Bottom line, at the point that issues have persisted with a company for going on a quarter of a century... that's a pattern that has turned into the culture of the company. I can't be the only one that thinks that.

I say if you (anyone) like and enjoy your Kimbers, great! They certainly make some fantastic looking models. If you ever run into issues, look at it as a fun project to diagnose and get deeper into customizing and fitting components to your gun to fix it. Personally, I would never trust one as a defensive gun as there are too many other platforms out there tested far beyond any Kimber tests I've ever seen. You do you.

 

[Tnhawk]

At this point, I'm of the opinion that with 1911s, anything short of a $4k+ full build from a reputable 1911 builder is a project that will most likely need some form of work, even if minimal. Even semi-custom $2-3k 1911s from reputable manufacturers occasionally have issues. Don't get me wrong, people occasionally get even sub $1k 1911s that work well enough without major issues. I'd say it's the exception to the rule though.

It's the nature of the platform. You have dozens of potential problems that can occur due to issues in fitment, tension, and geometry of the extractor. There are potential issues with ejector length and nose angle. Also barrel feed ramp fitment, chamber, throat depth. Barrel hood/lug fitment. Barrel link fitment. Slide stop lobe length.... Not even mentioning the probably dozens of potential issues with magazines, magazine type, follower type, feed lips and feed angle types.

Personally, I would never trust one as a defensive gun as there are too many other platforms out there tested far beyond any Kimber tests I've ever seen. You do you.

I have 1911s ranging from $600 to $3000. None has needed even minimal work to be accurate and reliable.

 

[General Zod]

It was brought up for a reason, even if you don’t understand that reason.

Yeah, the reason is your dishonest debating technique. As I said, you've presented opinion and anecdote with no offer of actual info, but you dismiss anything anyone else says because it's anecdotal. You're showing extreme hypocrisy (with a zesty dash of condescension), at least on this issue.

 

[Maverick44]

No. I dismiss the opinions of people who are not giving opinions based on experience owning the guns. One of the posters said himself that his experience with the guns was anecdotal, so no use in trying to argue against me on that. And you’re right, some of what I asked about is not readily available information. It was brought up for a reason, even if you don’t understand that reason.

You don't have to own something in order to know there's something wrong with it. Obviously if he's having a lot of Kimbers come into his shop with problems that have to be fixed, and those guns make up the majority of 1911s that are having issues that he's personally dealing with, then there's an issue with Kimbers. That is a perfectly valid claim to make backed up with personal experience. No amount of twisting words and dismissing his and other's personal experiences is going to change that. All you're doing is showing yourself to be a rabid fanboy who cannot admit that maybe, just maybe, your favorite brand might not be perfect.

 

[SIG_Fiend]

I have 1911s ranging from $600 to $3000. None has needed even minimal work to be accurate and reliable.

How many guns over how many rounds per gun? What is your definition of reliable?

 

[Havok1]

Yeah, the reason is your dishonest debating technique. As I said, you've presented opinion and anecdote with no offer of actual info, but you dismiss anything anyone else says because it's anecdotal. You're showing extreme hypocrisy (with a zesty dash of condescension), at least on this issue.

Just because you disagree doesn’t mean it was dishonest. Have you ever owned a kimber?

 

[Havok1]

You don't have to own something in order to know there's something wrong with it. Obviously if he's having a lot of Kimbers come into his shop with problems that have to be fixed, and those guns make up the majority of 1911s that are having issues that he's personally dealing with, then there's an issue with Kimbers. That is a perfectly valid claim to make backed up with personal experience. No amount of twisting words and dismissing his and other's personal experiences is going to change that. All you're doing is showing yourself to be a rabid fanboy who cannot admit that maybe, just maybe, your favorite brand might not be perfect.

Go back and reread the thread. If you understand how statistics work then you’ll see why what I said makes sense.

 

[Tnhawk]

How many guns over how many rounds per gun? What is your definition of reliable?

Some have a thousand, some have thousands of rounds. I consider reliable the point I can carry and my life can depend on it.
Your mileage may vary.

 

[General Zod]

Just because you disagree doesn’t mean it was dishonest. Have you ever owned a kimber?

No, I've read and watched enough reviews of them, plus I found a 1911 that has never jammed or failed to fire for me for hundreds of dollars less than a Kimber. I don't need to have owned one to know I don't wish to own one because of their reputation for being unreliable.

Tell me, have you ever died in a fire? If not, how do you know being in a fire is a dangerous situation?

Your line of reasoning is seriously flawed. I'm willing to bet you're one of those folks who says he'd rather be "thrown clear" during a wreck than wear a seatbelt.

Go back and reread the thread. If you understand how statistics work then you’ll see why what I said makes sense.

Then present some damn statistics and stop being a self-righetous hypocrite.

 

[Maverick44]

Then present some damn statistics and stop being a self-righetous hypocrite.

Yeah, this. If you're so big on statistics Havok, then start posting them.

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[Sam7sf]

I look at it like this: Every company has failure rates, and what are the odds you will be on the short end of the stick?

Sig for example DOES make good guns, but my own and only time owning a p320 was negative.

I have limited time with Kimbers but they have been in for work at various shops I had affiliation with. My gut tells me it's not worth the money. Not when Ruger is cheaper and seems to be getting good feed back. Remington has good feed back. RIA is fine. Iver Johnson is gtg. Kimber reminds me of BMW...It has a following and reputation, but what are you really getting for your money?

 

[General Zod]

Yeah, this. If you're so big on statistics Havok, then start posting them.

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Oddly enough, "Because Havok says so" is not the same as statistical proof.

 

[Sam7sf]

Kimber is a brand that makes me think the guy buying it likes white claw over beer.