Dishonorable for troops refusing the vaccine?

[magock]

Yeah, that’s not how it works. You signed on the line you don’t have a choice. They owned my ass until I had my DD214 and my inactive time was up. If you are not going to follow orders you will face consequences. It’s their call to make but no way they get out of it refusing medical does not fly.

Agreed

 

[magock]

That’s a load of crap , Biden needs to get the hell out of office,he has no business running this country !

Typical statement

 

[ScottDLS]

I am retired military, I know the process and I know that a dishonorable discharge is akin to ripping off someone's head and crapping down their neckhole just to show them you DON'T CARE! THAT is my point. Paperwork be damned! The Pretender in Chief doesn't know where he is or how many donuts makes a dozen but he will be allowed to trash people's lives on his capricious incognizant idea of how a person of conscience, a free American citizen, can be treated like scum because he says so!!! WTF I'd tell you what I really think but it would get ugly.

You should know then that a GCM is not just paperwork, it is a trial. It is the military version of a jury trial, which is everyone's right per the 6th amendment. It must be convened pursuant to law (UCMJ), the trial held, and is subject to appeal to the military court of appeals, then circuit court, then SCOTUS. Dementia Joe can't just order someone convicted and get them a DD if the paperwork is pushed through. If several thousand service members all demanded GCM for refusing the shot, JAG would be busy for 50 years, and they might lose most or all of the trials. I briefly sat on a GCM when I was in the Navy before I got sent off during the military equivalent of voir dire. When the military tries to railroad the people refusing the shot, they will do it administratively and try to get a general (other than honorable) characterization admin discharge through an article 15 hearing. Even that is hard for commissioned officers as the Article 15 will have to be convened by a General Officer/Flag Officer AND any serviceman can demand a court martial in place of an Article 15 hearing, if they want to drag it out.

 

[magock]

I wonder how many will comply? We could end up loosing 10-20% of our armed forces .... or more.

Good, active duty needs to be downsized anyway.

 

[magock]

You should know then that a GCM is not just paperwork, it is a trial. It is the military version of a jury trial, which is everyone's right per the 6th amendment. It must be convened pursuant to law (UCMJ), the trial held, and is subject to appeal to the military court of appeals, then circuit court, then SCOTUS. Dementia Joe can't just order someone convicted and get them a DD if the paperwork is pushed through. If several thousand service members all demanded GCM for refusing the shot, JAG would be busy for 50 years, and they might lose most or all of the trials. I briefly sat on a GCM when I was in the Navy before I got sent off during the military equivalent of voir dire. When the military tries to railroad the people refusing the shot, they will do it administratively and try to get a general (other than honorable) characterization admin discharge through an article 15 hearing. Even that is hard for commissioned officers as the Article 15 will have to be convened by a General Officer/Flag Officer AND any serviceman can demand a court martial in place of an Article 15 hearing, if they want to drag it out.

Still receiving GOMOR and flag action. Career never makes it past e7. Officers are relieved.

 

[magock]

It's probably something I am reading into the comment but the idea that "...processing a dishonorable discharge, several thousand soldiers could gum up the works quite nicely." seems a cavalier frickin' attitude about our military service members. It's more than gumming up the works, it is about ruining their lives and totally sh!tting on those people's contribution to America's well-being. Joe "STFU "cause I am President" Biden should not be allowed to disparage America's military members service much less ruin their lives. He is a petty tyrant with lots of other demagogues trying to tatter our country and sell the remnants to the highest bidder.

hes commander in chief. get over it snowflake.

 

[JLMcC]

Do you think they will do OTHs for vaccine refusers?

Sure. No skin off Joe's nose. He's more than willing to punish Border Patrol agents for doing their jobs. He doesn't have a clue what he is doing. He thinks America elected him -- because they like him. Stolen election or not, he is a wooden-headed puppet who was never a real boy.

Why not keelhaul some sailors, frag some jarheads and bury some soldiers in anthills?! The POTUS has no accountability and his handlers are having too much fun seeing how far they can stretch America's patience.

 

[magock]

I don’t believe the numbers of vaccinated people at all. I have a feeling they are boosting the numbers to make more people feel like they should take it.


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conspiracy much

 

[magock]

Sure. No skin off Joe's nose. He's more than willing to punish Border Patrol agents for doing their jobs. He doesn't have a clue what he is doing. He thinks America elected him -- because they like him. Stolen election or not, he is a wooden-headed puppet who was never a real boy.

Why not keelhaul some sailors, frag some jarheads and bury some soldiers in anthills?! The POTUS has no accountability and his handlers are having too much fun seeing how far they can stretch America's patience.

what consequences does an oth have on anything

 

[MTA]

Happy I got out when I did.

To be fair, BCD is the other punitive discharge, is available to a Special or GCM, and isn’t subject to the same restrictions on offenses however precedent for BCD is time served for an offense.

That path would also be stupid to go down for a number of reasons, primarily in that the BCD (and the DD) is solely for enlisted personnel; officers face dismissal solely by GCM as the only punitive discharge. But, that’s the path that was taken for some of the folks who refused Anthrax.

The really, really dumb part of what was said was that it will he construed by defense counsel as unlawful command influence.

The people who were in and refused the anthrax vaccine got court martialed or got a BCD?

 

[ScottDLS]

Still receiving GOMOR and flag action. Career never makes it past e7. Officers are relieved.

So what. It's not a DD. JoeMentia doesn't have that authority, any more than he can order a civilian thrown in jail. I sense a stolen valor troll in this new user...

 

[JLMcC]

hes commander in chief. get over it snowflake.

I may be a snowflake since hell appears to have frozen over. Bite me, cupcake. Get over yo' own self

 

[ScottDLS]

what consequences does an oth have on anything

Lose some veterans benefits unless you can get it recharacterized.

 

[magock]

So what. It's not a DD. JoeMentia doesn't have that authority, any more than he can order a civilian thrown in jail. I sense a stolen valor troll in this new user...

im against dd action. OTH serves fine for the purpose. Are you a SM? Or just a disgruntled vet

 

[magock]

Lose some veterans benefits unless you can get it recharacterized.

post 9.11 and va dis. still available try again.

 

[magock]

I may be a snowflake since hell appears to have frozen over. Bite me, cupcake. Get over yo' own self

facts are facts my man. just like trump lost the popular vote by over 5 million votes.

 

[magock]

My granddaughter's husband is in the marines. He has been told by his first shirt that they would "make an example of him" if he continued to refuse the Jab. So far, he is holding out and nothing has been done yet. We will see what happens.

I wouldn't be surprised. OTH and GOMOR coming. bye bye career.

 

[magock]

You guys have short memories...this isn't anything new!

Troops who refused anthrax vaccine paid a high price

An unknown fraction of service members who were punished for refusing the anthrax vaccine in the late 1990s and early 2000s have sought to have their records corrected, but only a few have had success.

www.militarytimes.com

good post. a lot of people have forgotten how it works.

 

[magock]

Yeah, that’s not how it works. You signed on the line you don’t have a choice. They owned my ass until I had my DD214 and my inactive time was up. If you are not going to follow orders you will face consequences. It’s their call to make but no way they get out of it refusing medical does not fly.

yes sir.

 

[ScottDLS]

post 9.11 and va dis. still available try again.

If you received a discharge under conditions "other than honorable," you ordinarily are not eligible for most VA benefits.

Suppose you served a full period in the military, received good paper such as an honorable discharge, and immediately re-enlisted for a new period of service that ended with bad paper. You will be eligible for disability compensation benefits only for the period of service that ended with an honorable or under honorable conditions discharge. If you were injured during the enlistment period that ended with bad paper, you will not will be eligible for disability compensation.