If Constitutional Carry Passes

[oldag]

When you enter someone else's property, you are a guest of their's. Which means you have said in, unsaid agreement, that you will abide with their rules upon entering. And just because the premises are open to the public, doesn't negate the fact that they are still privately owned property.

So if we have the "government" pass a law, telling essentially a business that they either will allow anyone to carry firearms onto their premise's, even if it goes against their beliefs about firearms, or that they have to spend funds to insure the safety of everyone that enters, that is okay with you?

Not for me it isn't. It's more government over-reach into my personal business, and another method of them how I will do business, and that I as business owner have no rights within my own business.

My opinion may not be the popular one here, and I'm comfortable with that, but in such instances, even though I'm a law abiding gun owner, I'll have to side with the rights of the property owner being superior in such cases, regardless of what they think or believe about guns.

So as a private business open to the public, I can bar minorities.

 

[Rhino]

Well, for me, we have it seems reached a point where we are just going around in circles. I seriously doubt anything I have written is going to change any opinions or viewpoints, and I have had my say on the matter. I'm going to allow others to continue this discussion without me from here on.

One thing that escapes my logic, is that we talk of less infringement, lesser restrictions, and less intrusion into our lives, but want to add further restrictions and infringements upon the rights of a property owner. I'm sorry, I just can't in all fairness wrap my head around that concept.

Ciao.

Basic principles should be the starting point.

Your starting point seemingly presumes big government and legal systems. Mine starts with me and my neighbor; and a traveller.

I don’t presume that my neighbor in a grass hut must leave his weapons in his grass hut if he has an unfriendly neighbor to visit me or trade. Visiting me for food shouldn’t leave him vulnerable on his return home to someone that stole his own weapons from his hut.

I don’t presume a traveller needs to travel without protection against thieves and robbers. Au contraire he probably needs them more.

Why we allow the argument to go higher than this is a tell on our core beliefs about government.

 

[1911'S 4 Me]

 

[Big Dipper]

Y’all keep forgetting, it’s not your property. You are renting it from the government.

If you don’t believe me, stop paying your annual “rent” to the county and see what happens!

Also, what I have in my pockets or under my clothes is none of anybody’s business but mine, unless and until you declare that all entrants are going through a metal detector or a strip search.

 

[ScottDLS]

Care to provide any sources or links to sources in the Texas Law Statutes that state that? I'll even allow you one better. Show me ANY state's statutes that says that.

Texas Code of Criminal Procedure:


Art. 2.1305. CARRYING WEAPON ON CERTAIN PREMISES. (a) An establishment serving the public may not prohibit or otherwise restrict a peace officer or special investigator from carrying on the establishment's premises a weapon that the peace officer or special investigator is otherwise authorized to carry, regardless of whether the peace officer or special investigator is engaged in the actual discharge of the officer's or investigator's duties while carrying the weapon.
(b) For purposes of this article:
(1) "Establishment serving the public" means:
(A) a hotel, motel, or other place of lodging;
(B) a restaurant or other place where food is offered for sale to the public;
(C) a retail business or other commercial establishment or an office building to which the general public is invited;
(D) a sports venue; and
(E) any other place of public accommodation, amusement, convenience, or resort to which the general public or any classification of persons from the general public is regularly, normally, or customarily invited.
...

(c) An establishment serving the public that violates this article is subject to a civil penalty in the amount of $1,000 for each violation. The attorney general may sue to collect a civil penalty under this subsection. Money collected under this subsection shall be deposited in the state treasury to the credit of the general revenue fund.

 

[Army 1911]

Y’all keep forgetting, it’s not your property. You are renting it from the government.

If you don’t believe me, stop paying your annual “rent” to the county and see what happens!

Also, what I have in my pockets or under my clothes is none of anybody’s business but mine, unless and until you declare that all entrants are going through a metal detector or a strip search.

I don't pay property tax I'm exempt.

 

[toddnjoyce]

Damn. I’ve tried to steer clear of the sign debate, but once again I have to ask myself why does the good government in Texas not give business owners legal standing to post a sign that says Per Texas Penal Code, a person may not enter this property with open or concealed religious emblems or talk with a potty mouth.

 

[MTA]

So did he sign it yet

 

[Big Dipper]

Damn. I’ve tried to steer clear of the sign debate, but once again I have to ask myself why does the good government in Texas not give business owners legal standing to post a sign that says Per Texas Penal Code, a person may not enter this property with open or concealed religious emblems or talk with a potty mouth.

Or have obscene (unseen) tattoos, or go “commando”, or have a known communicable disease, or have toe nail fungus, or …

 

[Army 1911]

Or have obscene (unseen) tattoos, or go “commando”, or have a known communicable disease, or have toe nail fungus, or …

That's a special kind of stupid.

 

[V-Tach]

Had a young man in earlier this week whose pants were around his knees in the rear....

Asked him to pull them up, he refused and started yelling......racist......you're racist......

Asked him to leave....he informed me of his rights and to call the police..........

I obliged............

They explained it to him on the way out.................

 

[Sasquatch]

Had a young man in earlier this week whose pants were around his knees in the rear....

Asked him to pull them up, he refused and started yelling......racist......you're racist......

Asked him to leave....he informed me of his rights and to call the police..........

I obliged............

They explained it to him on the way out.................

And that's how it should be. Ask 'em to leave and they refuse? Okay, now you've got criminal trespass. Works for any reason the property owner would ask you to leave.

 

[Wiliamr]

Had a young man in earlier this week whose pants were around his knees in the rear....

Asked him to pull them up, he refused and started yelling......racist......you're racist......

Asked him to leave....he informed me of his rights and to call the police..........

I obliged............

They explained it to him on the way out.................

Reminds me of once a young fellow had his pants dropped down with the belt line below his butt. I asked him why he wore his pants like that and he told me it was "gangsta". I told him in the Ellis Unit is means you are ready to get butt plugged by anyone. You should have seen his face. I went on... it means you are a punk - you are a bitch to the bulls in the cell block. Only those punks who are willing to take it anally wear their pants like that in TDC. It made me smile....

 

[satx78247]

Something tells me Ellisj is under 40, public school educated and possibly not a native Texan.
Those of us 70+ can remember what Texas was like in the 40's, 50's and 60's for Hispanics and Blacks. It was not called racisim back then, it was just the way it was with no name to it.

Williamr,

And NOT just for Blacks & Latinos. = The RACIST DIMocRATS, that ran everything in most Texas counties, HATED us Amer-Indians too, with a passion.
(My Mother said that during WWII, she was HATED by the DIMs because she married "that damned redskin boy". - Oddly, IF my Father was in USAAC uniform, they would often serve him but then tell my Mother that they would NOT serve her, because she was a ''race mixer''.)

Addenda: It just so happens that I'm "light skinned & could "pass" IF I wanted to but my kid sister is rather "dark skinned" (She looks more Italian or maybe Greek than she does A-I but definitely NOT "white bread".) & I remember people being NASTY to her when we were kids in the early 1960s. = FYI, I got in more than a few fist-fights about that.

And you WONDER why I despise the DIMocRATS??

yours, satx

 

[satx78247]

To All,

The OUTRIGHT RACISM of the DIMocRATS assured that I would grow up to be a CONSERVATIVE GOP member. = After my grandfather & my dad passed away in late 1965, I ended up as the GOP County Chair for over a decade.

When I returned to Army AD, after my beloved wife died, I picked a VERY CONSERVATIVE & TEXAS-BORN LATINO to replace me in the County Chair's office.
(That REALLY PO'd the local DIMs of the "courthouse clown car"!!!)

LOL, satx

 

[Sasquatch]

I noticed this walking into the Walmart in Navasota this afternoon. Look close in the middle right hand side of that sign. Not exactly 30.07 compliant, but it makes me wonder if Walmart will be posting up proper notices when the new law goes into effect. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. This is certainly why I don't like gun-buster signs or such having weight of law.

 

[Rhino]

I noticed this walking into the Walmart in Navasota this afternoon. Look close in the middle right hand side of that sign. Not exactly 30.07 compliant, but it makes me wonder if Walmart will be posting up proper notices when the new law goes into effect. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. This is certainly why I don't like gun-buster signs or such having weight of law.

Same sign seen elsewhere, also. I kind of prefer that wording, as it sounds much more courteous. I don't mind wearing a vest over it...

 

[Ellisj]

Please keep your anal lube to yourself.

 

[Frank59]

Had a young man in earlier this week whose pants were around his knees in the rear....

Asked him to pull them up, he refused and started yelling......racist......you're racist......

Asked him to leave....he informed me of his rights and to call the police..........

I obliged............

They explained it to him on the way out.................

Salute to the Rockport PD

 

[Frank59]

Had a young man in earlier this week whose pants were around his knees in the rear....

Was there anyone standing behind him with a smile on their face?