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    The law is clear.
    If the property is owned by other than federal government, carry cannot be prohibited except where listed in the PC, and by my reading that includes property the government may lease to another entity (i.e. Zilker Park leased out for ACL), it is still City property. Unless there is case law saying that is not the case that no one bothered to tell me about...

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    I remember an AG letter that said differently. I don’t know if I can find it as it was on a forum I no longer belong to. If I remember the group leasing could post 06/07 even if it was city owned.
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    One fairly common ploy (although not the case with the Alamodome) is to contract with a vendor for the sale of adult beverages. With as much as 90% of said vendor’s income from sales of alcohol at that location, the vendor is required to post a 51% sign, even though much less than 51% of total income for the location is from alcohol sales.

    This was the case at Moody Theater with FARACE BEVERAGES LLC a few years ago, building owner is Stratus Properties Inc. May have changed with the COVID tavern operating as a restaurant game since TABC is now showing them as “blue” sign.

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    Liquor license for Alamodome is with SAVOR BLACK TIE JOINT VENTURE LLC and also shows blue now. Maybe same deal.
     

    satx78247

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    Pocket knifes are banned also

    long walk back to car


    gasgas,

    A large number of 100% FOOLISH decisions of "the city fathers" in SATX exist.

    Just ONE example: I can lawfully carry my loaded handgun into the Bexar County Tax Assessor's Office but (because of the STUPID notions of an unelected county bureaucrat) the security officers won't allow me to enter with my pipe-cleaning tool, because it has an 1.5" scraper.
    (The scraper is NOT at all sharp & NO more "potentially dangerous" than a ballpoint pen or a car key.)
    Is that STUPID or what??

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    Cob

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    No that’s government intelligence
    They do not have two brain cell that operate at the same time. I think
    If you added the age and shoe size to
    Some of these government pukes Iq you would Obtain an answer in the negative triple digits
     

    Cob

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    I think
    This may have escaped a city govt somewhere and wound up
    In the Oklahoma legislaturehttps://www.bing.com/search?q=Bigfoot+%243+million&efirst=0&filters=tnTID%3a%224807B6DD-ADDC-43c5-9CB0-7CA1FC96B0D6%22+tnVersion%3a%224070571%22+Segment%3a%22popularnow.carousel%22+tnCol%3a%220%22+tnOrder%3a%226d733aa8-97bb-487f-9d8a-61b1f74231a2%22&form=HPNN01
     

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    gasgas,

    A large number of 100% FOOLISH decisions of "the city fathers" in SATX exist.

    Just ONE example: I can lawfully carry my loaded handgun into the Bexar County Tax Assessor's Office but (because of the STUPID notions of an unelected county bureaucrat) the security officers won't allow me to enter with my pipe-cleaning tool, because it has an 1.5" scraper.
    (The scraper is NOT at all sharp & NO more "potentially dangerous" than a ballpoint pen or a car key.)
    Is that STUPID or what??

    yours, satx

    I'm amazed Dallas is better. Or I just ran into an experienced cop. I had to go downtown for a license registration and walking in the building there were two cops there at the metal detector. The old guy in the corner reading a magazine and the younger guy doing all the work.

    I walked in and he gave me the step over there, empty your pockets, walk through..... I stepped over towards him with my LTC and said I have one of these. We go through the whole eyes big, check DL to match, double and triple check everything, then I get waived through. About 10 steps past the metal detector I get the , "excuse me sir....."

    He said this is going to sound stupid, but I have to ask you to go put your pocket knife in your vehicle before you proceed. (pocket clip was visible). So the pistol was OK, but knife was a no go. Luckily about 20 steps out the door old cop got involved and called me back in and just said go ahead.
     

    Glenn B

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    The amount of places I stopped going to in NY State, before I scarpered from NY, were in number at least by the score. To name several types of events I stopped attending or places I stopped visiting, I could not / would not attend: football games, hockey games, rodeos (yes they had rodeos at Madison Square Garden and at the Nassau Coliseum), Long Island Herpetological Society meetings (as they were held on a college campus), aquarium club meetings (also held at a college), many concerts as most venues prohibited firearms, to any event held in a school, to watch a movie in our local theaters (although they would never have known) and so on. Of course, they were prohibited in bars too. In a report I read decades ago, the thing about no guns in bars was that something like 90% or higher, of the calls received by the police in NY City, about someone acting out in a bar with a gun, that someone turned out to be a police officer. There was no leaving a handgun in a motor vehicle in NY. If you did so, at least in the county where I lived, and it was stolen - you would lose your handgun license pronto and they would confiscate your handguns and also very likely your long guns.

    When I got to Texas and got my LTC, I was amazed at how much like NY Texas was in that regard - prohibiting carry in many places or events. Of course, Texas is better in that regard for the most part but it is still restrictive enough about where and when one can carry as to have been shocking to someone thinking he was moving to the land of Guns, Guts, Glory and Gunservatives. Very disappointing but as I said still better than NY and that is by a long-shot.

    Then there are the places you can not carry throughout the nation, like at Post Offices. What a joke. Federal courts, and the thing that gets me about them is they all have lock boxes; however, if you were to enter the building and inform them you were armed and then asked if you could use the lock box, some of the dick weeds in court security would probably have you cuffed before you could complete the question about using a lock box. You cannot imagine the trouble they would give to a federal agent carrying in the building - there were ways in where you bypassed the metal detector stations and where there were no lock boxes and where an agent made legitimate entry for business purposes but if they found out you were armed - the horseshit would hit the fan. No carrying in state parks in NY either (unless the particular park allowed hunting with firearms and handgun hunting had to be allowed in that area, and then only during the hunting season), maybe no carry even in local parks too but not sure on that one.

    Yet, it's called a License To Carry or Handgun License or whatever they call it elsewhere. Go figure.
     

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    Yep, website says it is owned by the city, the sign even said something to the effect of No Firearms in City owned property.

    Yup
    Thanks to Henry Cisneros and his cronies. Convinced the voters in SA the NFL would come if you just build it.

    Biggest waste of money and time
    Now its just an ugly ass arena off 281/37 in downtown.

    Occasional events but pretty much a major bust.


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    If you find it PM me.

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    AG website is very difficult to navigate now. I actually had this issue when a gun show on city property posted 06/07 and I contacted the city manager and they removed the signs. There was a big post on texaschlforum about AG letters and subsequently AG said that whoever leases the property could post but apparently you could not prosecute if you crossed the sign or something to that effect. The final conclusion I reached was that even if city owned the property a business on the property could post 06/07. I can't trace the AG letters on the website though as their search function is worthless.
     

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    Are you certain it is city owned? Here in Dallas the Arena (AAC) was 50% funded by the city, but they created n operating company to own/run it.

    AAC is owned by the City of Dallas. For non-prohibited events it is legal to carry there. But if they have metal detectors, there's nothing you can do about it. I know because the same thing happened to me at Cowboys Stadium (JerryWorld) which is owned by the city of Arlington. I complained to the City Attorney and the AG, but the response was...The property can be posted (by a private party), but since it's owned by the city you wouldn't be committing a violation by carrying there. Great, after I get done shoving the armed security out of the way I'll go in. :(
     

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    The law is clear.
    If the property is owned by other than federal government, carry cannot be prohibited except where listed in the PC, and by my reading that includes property the government may lease to another entity (i.e. Zilker Park leased out for ACL), it is still City property. Unless there is case law saying that is not the case that no one bothered to tell me about...

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    Yeah, I already went through this with Jerryworld in Arlington in 2016. They can't post for a non-prohibited event, but they do and they have metal detectors. I complained to the City and AG. AG said well, a nongovernment entity can post, but if you ignore the post you can't be prosecuted. Since I was unwilling to get in shootout with the armed private security to force my point, I put it back in my car.
     

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    Yeah, I already went through this with Jerryworld in Arlington in 2016. They can't post for a non-prohibited event, but they do and they have metal detectors. I complained to the City and AG. AG said well, a nongovernment entity can post, but if you ignore the post you can't be prosecuted. Since I was unwilling to get in shootout with the armed private security to force my point, I put it back in my car.
    I looked for that letter on AG site but couldn’t find it. Their search engine is screwed up.
     

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    I looked for that letter on AG site but couldn’t find it. Their search engine is screwed up.

    Yeah I don't think it was my case that raised it, and I don't think the City Attorney referenced it as this was in January or February 2016, but they basically said the same thing and by the time I was about to send to the AG, that letter was published. It's technically only an opinion, but I have a day job and don't have the money or time to mess with it. Maybe when CJ Grisham passes the bar, I'll hire him... :)
     

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    I feel the same way about high school athletics got sick of hearing about football and football players While I was still in high schooy
     
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