Trump Administration Releases COVD-19 Vaccine Plan......Shocks Biden

[jcriswell]

As long as it is optional, I got no problem with declining. But, as we all know, kids are not allowed to go to school without their vaccinations. Many government jobs require a health certificate that lists vaccinations. Cops, Firefighters, Military all are required to take a massive number of shots ... I'm for watching those employment sectors for a spike either up, or down. Refusing to take it will be a luxury not enjoyed by all of us.

 

[MacZC7]

As long as it is optional, I got no problem with declining. But, as we all know, kids are not allowed to go to school without their vaccinations. Many government jobs require a health certificate that lists vaccinations. Cops, Firefighters, Military all are required to take a massive number of shots ... I'm for watching those employment sectors for a spike either up, or down. Refusing to take it will be a luxury not enjoyed by all of us.

Children absolutely do not have to be vaccinated to attend public school. You just have to try a little harder. Speaking from experience, not getting into it.

 

[candcallen]

We delayed our kids vaccines till before school with the exceptions of a couple infants injections.

Our dr told us there is no real proof that some of the ingredients in the newer vaccines cause any of the autism related issues but many people link the two because of the explosion of autism going along with some vaccines. That said they could also be being diagnosed more methodically than in the past. But any link relates to younger kids and not school age kids. And most illnesses are unheard of in the us so delaying has no real risk.

So since we lived in AZ we did a couple vaccines for things commonly seen in Mexico and a few cases yearly in AZ and left the rest to just before kindergarten. Polio and whooping cough I think.

Besides like most of you I got all my shots in school and didnt want them to miss out on the "experience" and memory, lol.

With vaccination so prevalent in the first world I couldnt care less if people choose not to for religious reason. Their body and all that shit right? I also have no problem telling sick people to stay home.

Beyond that things get prickley. Depends on the illness and situation. Like drug resistant TB. Should you force treatment or quarantine? You wanna die a slow death from TB go ahead but stay the phuck away from everyone else.

The problem comes when government trys to protect everyone cause all they have is massive liberty destroying battering rams as tools and that is not what America is supposed to be. Individual freedom is supposed to be paramount over group safety and security. The two never really go together as long as the gooberment is doing the protecting.

Look at a recent stat, 75 percent of recent covid cases were in people who wear masks religiously. Almost 70 percent of cases in New York during the spike were in people locked down and never went out.

Yes we know coincidence and causality are 2 different things but lockdowns and mask mandates dont work. Handwashing and hygiene do but apparently that's both racist and almost seditious to suggest. As is saying the spikes and riots went together.

Even the WHO, as unimpressive and late to the show they are, say lockdowns cause more death and damage than covid has. Apparently china is hurting economically and wants the world back to work so the WHOs opinion has changed. Still its correct. The stats dont lie.

 

[MacZC7]

My son and my girlfriend’s three kids have never and will never be vaccinated and they are healthy as can be. The sick kids are the ones with germophobe parents.

 

[candcallen]

My son and my girlfriend’s three kids have never and will never be vaccinated and they are healthy as can be. The sick kids are the ones with germophobe parents.

Coincidence not causality.

Let's be clear, your kids are healthy cause everyone else has been vaccinated.

Do want you want with your kids that's your right and I wholeheartedly support you in that but dont spew ignorance like its fact.

There is nothing wrong with being cautious about vaccines. Nor is there anything wrong with getting them all as soon as they come out. Again your body your control and all that shit. It's the mandates that are an issue.

No parents, in general, are going to not take advantage of safe vaccinations that work when they see the alternative. The government shouldnt be forcing people.

Some people who wear tin foil butt plugs and tampons will never be convinced. That's their right, unless the marxists take over.

 

[Axxe55]

Children absolutely do not have to be vaccinated to attend public school. You just have to try a little harder. Speaking from experience, not getting into it.

Actually, you might try a bit harder as well. Here's some light reading for you.

Texas Minimum State Vaccine Requirements for Students Grades K-12 | Texas DSHS

www.dshs.texas.gov

 

[Rhino]

Coincidence not causality.

Let's be clear, your kids are healthy cause everyone else has been vaccinated.

Do want you want with your kids that's your right and I wholeheartedly support you in that but dont spew ignorance like its fact.

There is nothing wrong with being cautious about vaccines. Nor is there anything wrong with getting them all as soon as they come out. Again your body your control and all that shit. It's the mandates that are an issue.

No parents, in general, are going to not take advantage of safe vaccinations that work when they see the alternative. The government shouldnt be forcing people.

Some people who wear tin foil butt plugs and tampons will never be convinced. That's their right, unless the marxists take over.

Beg to differ. Kids that play in the dirt, get sunshine, and eat healthy generally stay healthy even when exposed to others. For real.

 

[Axxe55]

Beg to differ. Kids that play in the dirt, get sunshine, and eat healthy generally stay healthy even when exposed to others. For real.

Up until they are exposed to a deadly disease.

Even healthy people can contract diseases.

For real.

 

[candcallen]

Beg to differ. Kids that play in the dirt, get sunshine, and eat healthy generally stay healthy even when exposed to others. For real.

Sigh.

 

[Dougw1515]

Actually, you might try a bit harder as well. Here's some light reading for you.

Texas Minimum State Vaccine Requirements for Students Grades K-12 | Texas DSHS

www.dshs.texas.gov

Might wanna actually read some of what you post as a rebuttal. I mean it seems like the prudent thing to do....


EDUCATION CODE

TITLE 2. PUBLIC EDUCATION

SUBTITLE G. SAFE SCHOOLS

CHAPTER 38. HEALTH AND SAFETY

SUBCHAPTER A. GENERAL PROVISIONS

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(b) Subject to Subsection (c), the Department of State Health Services may modify or delete any of the immunizations in Subsection (a) or may require immunizations against additional diseases as a requirement for admission to any elementary or secondary school.
(b-1) Each year, the Department of State Health Services shall prepare a list of the immunizations required under this section for admission to public schools and of any additional immunizations the department recommends for school-age children. The department shall prepare the list in English and Spanish and make the list available in a manner that permits a school district to easily post the list on the district's Internet website as required by Section 38.019.
(c) Immunization is not required for a person's admission to any elementary or secondary school if the person applying for admission:
(1) submits to the admitting official:
(A) an affidavit or a certificate signed by a physician who is duly registered and licensed to practice medicine in the United States, in which it is stated that, in the physician's opinion, the immunization required poses a significant risk to the health and well-being of the applicant or any member of the applicant's family or household; or
(B) an affidavit signed by the applicant or, if a minor, by the applicant's parent or guardian stating that the applicant declines immunization for reasons of conscience, including a religious belief; or
(2) is a member of the armed forces of the United States and is on active duty.
(c-1) An affidavit submitted under Section (c)(1)(B) must be on a form described by Section 161.0041, Health and Safety Code, and must be submitted to the admitting official not later than the 90th day after the date the affidavit is notarized.
(d) The Department of State Health Services shall provide the required immunization to children in areas where no local provision exists to provide those services.
(e) A person may be provisionally admitted to an elementary or secondary school if the person has begun the required immunizations and if the person continues to receive the necessary immunizations as rapidly as is medically feasible. The Department of State Health Services shall adopt rules relating to the provisional admission of persons to an elementary or secondary school.
(f) A person who has not received the immunizations required by this section for reasons of conscience, including because of the person's religious beliefs, may be excluded from school in times of emergency or epidemic declared by the commissioner of public health.

 

[Axxe55]

Might wanna actually read some of what you post as a rebuttal. I mean it seems like the prudent thing to do....


(b) Subject to Subsection (c), the Department of State Health Services may modify or delete any of the immunizations in Subsection (a) or may require immunizations against additional diseases as a requirement for admission to any elementary or secondary school.
(b-1) Each year, the Department of State Health Services shall prepare a list of the immunizations required under this section for admission to public schools and of any additional immunizations the department recommends for school-age children. The department shall prepare the list in English and Spanish and make the list available in a manner that permits a school district to easily post the list on the district's Internet website as required by Section 38.019.
(c) Immunization is not required for a person's admission to any elementary or secondary school if the person applying for admission:
(1) submits to the admitting official:
(A) an affidavit or a certificate signed by a physician who is duly registered and licensed to practice medicine in the United States, in which it is stated that, in the physician's opinion, the immunization required poses a significant risk to the health and well-being of the applicant or any member of the applicant's family or household; or
(B) an affidavit signed by the applicant or, if a minor, by the applicant's parent or guardian stating that the applicant declines immunization for reasons of conscience, including a religious belief; or
(2) is a member of the armed forces of the United States and is on active duty.
(c-1) An affidavit submitted under Section (c)(1)(B) must be on a form described by Section 161.0041, Health and Safety Code, and must be submitted to the admitting official not later than the 90th day after the date the affidavit is notarized.
(d) The Department of State Health Services shall provide the required immunization to children in areas where no local provision exists to provide those services.
(e) A person may be provisionally admitted to an elementary or secondary school if the person has begun the required immunizations and if the person continues to receive the necessary immunizations as rapidly as is medically feasible. The Department of State Health Services shall adopt rules relating to the provisional admission of persons to an elementary or secondary school.
(f) A person who has not received the immunizations required by this section for reasons of conscience, including because of the person's religious beliefs, may be excluded from school in times of emergency or epidemic declared by the commissioner of public health.

I am fully aware of the exemptions. You might read what it takes to get those exemptions as well. They aren't just a matter of asking and they are given!

 

[Dougw1515]

I am fully aware of the exemptions. You might read what it takes to get those exemptions as well. They aren't just a matter of asking and they are given!

Understood... I was referencing Mac's comment ".... you have to try a little harder..." In support of the " Children absolutely do not have to be vaccinated to attend public school. " made immediately preceeding the try harder comment.

 

[Rhino]

Up until they are exposed to a deadly disease.

Even healthy people can contract diseases.

For real.

"Generally" - yeah, I know it CAN happen, but it's not a death sentence, either.

 

[Axxe55]

Understood... I was referencing Mac's comment ".... you have to try a little harder..." In support of the " Children absolutely do not have to be vaccinated to attend public school. " made immediately preceeding the try harder comment.

Texas law requires them, with certain exemptions. So yes, they do have to be vaccinated to attend public schools in Texas.

Texas Immunization Exemptions | Texas DSHS

www.dshs.texas.gov

 

[Axxe55]

"Generally" - yeah, I know it CAN happen, but it's not a death sentence, either.

Actually some of them can be a death sentence. Supposedly healthy children die from diseases as well.

 

[Dougw1515]

Texas law requires them, with certain exemptions. So yes, they do have to be vaccinated to attend public schools in Texas.

Texas Immunization Exemptions | Texas DSHS

www.dshs.texas.gov

I read(scanned) that document. Doesn't seem like an exceptionally high hurdle to clear if one's desire is to not have their child vaccinated...

 

[Axxe55]

I read(scanned) that document. Doesn't seem like an exceptionally high hurdle to clear if one's desire is to not have their child vaccinated...

A parent or guardian has to file an affidavit with the state. The religious one is actually fairly easy a hurdle as you put it, but the medical exemption has to be signed off by a doctor.

You do realize that an affidavit is a sworn legal document that is done under oath.

 

[MacZC7]

Actually, you might try a bit harder as well. Here's some light reading for you.

Texas Minimum State Vaccine Requirements for Students Grades K-12 | Texas DSHS

www.dshs.texas.gov

My son and my three soon to be step children were never vaccinated and will never be vaccinated. I’m not going to argue with someone that is ignorant to the facts. Copy and paste what you want...6, 7, 9 and 11 year olds in public and private school NEVER vaccinated. Mind your business.

 

[Axxe55]

My son and my three soon to be step children were never vaccinated and will never be vaccinated. I’m not going to argue with someone that is ignorant to the facts. Copy and paste what you want...6, 7, 9 and 11 year olds in public and private school NEVER vaccinated. Mind your business.

Actually Mac, you made it everyone's business when you posted on an open forum for everyone to see. Maybe you shouldn't have posted it, if you didn't want it to be part of a public discussion.

And exactly what facts am I ignorant of? What I copied and pasted are the facts, whether you like them or not.

Just saying. Also let me leave this form here for you to fill out!

 

[MacZC7]

Actually Mac, you made it everyone's business when you posted on an open forum for everyone to see. Maybe you shouldn't have posted it, if you didn't want it to be part of a public discussion.

And exactly what facts am I ignorant of? What I copied and pasted are the facts, whether you like them or not.

Just saying.

I don’t recall a forum rule where it’s mandatory that member’s posts be run by karens like you before we post.
The fact that you are ignorant of is that I have first hand knowledge of four Texas school children that have never been vaccinated and are legally attending public and private school. One is mine and the other three are my ladie’s. You seem to have a problem with truth...are you sure you aren’t a closet democrat? You sure act like one. Move along, I have had my fill of dealing with narcissists for this week.