Coronavirus Epidemic, Part 2

[kbaxter60]

Well, this is sure interesting, if true. I kind of liked Dr Birx when she first came on the scene. She seemed like the only adult in the room at some of the briefings. Perhaps I was getting ahead of myself.
https://truepundit.com/dod-leak-feds-investigated-birx-fabricated-falsified-hiv-aids-vaccine-trials/

 

[jordanmills]

Here’s how I know we are being played:
Extreme measures were enacted to “flatten the curve”.

People were going to get sick, but we were told that we needed to spread the infection rate out over time, so as not to overwhelm the healthcare system.

Well, the curve was flattened.
Even in hotspots.

Our healthcare system is significantly under-utilized. Hospitals are literally empty. People getting laid off. Talk of hospitals going out of business

During this time, we also learn the true mortality rate is orders of magnitude less than anticipated.

So now the goalposts have been moved.
Flattening the curve isn’t mentioned. Now it’s prevention of spreading the virus...a virus that’s orders of magnitude less deadly than thought.

Some states have said they won’t go back to normal until they have 14 straight days of “no new cases”. With a virus in the wild, mutating, and no vaccine in sight, this literally may never happen.

We have flu vaccines. We still have flu.
The common cold is a corona virus - how’s the vaccine for that coming along?

They’re using this pandemic as a ruse to significantly change our way of life. To oust a bad Orange Man.

Problem is, people see right thru this, worldwide. Orange Man fights back, his new press secretary is a bulldog.

IMHO this will cripple the EU to the point where other countries want exit.

So we’re left with the crisis of a lifetime and half the population that doesn’t want to go along with “the program”.

Meanwhile, it’s “too dangerous” for the House to convene, so Pelosi gets to hoard power until November.


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Well that's just crazy conspiracy talk, and we're going to have to censor it to keep people from seeing this problematic information.

 

[Dinoble1]

Well that's just crazy conspiracy talk, and we're going to have to censor it to keep people from seeing this problematic information.

And we will have to increase our postings that ridicule you and support our mainstream talking points.


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[jordanmills]

And we will have to increase our postings that ridicule you and support our mainstream talking points.


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If you dare to protest, we will completely deplatform you.

 

[benenglish]

IMHO this will cripple the EU to the point where other countries want exit.

I think very highly of Peter Zeihan's work. It's tough to jump in the middle of it without first watching one of his formal lectures. For those who already understand his approach to the world, though, the following might be interesting. AFAIK, it's his most recent interview where he applies his thought process to the world when you mix in this virus and the economic impact it has had and will have.

Starting at 46:51 (Check the timestamp; YT links aren't reliable about hitting a precise time.), he addresses your opinion about the state of Europe and the EU going forward. He agrees with you.



For folks who want to invest the time, earlier in the interview he goes over the future of the oil business in a way that's fascinating. He also spends quite a while talking about how Texas is going to be a powerhouse of growth for the next few years, at least.

For folks who find him interesting enough to want to know more, just enter his name into the YT search box and look at all the 45-minute+ lectures from 1 to 7 years ago (fresher is generally better but not always) where the thumbnail shows him standing on a stage in front of a large audience. The title and thumbnail will let you know the audience. All those speeches are roughly the same except tailored to the audience. Pick one you have an affinity with and watch it. You may learn a lot. I know I have.

 

[gdr_11]

So....after weeks of folks complaining, whining and bitching about how there are no tests being conducted last week they spent 2 days testing every Karen and hand wringing Nancy in town........

No positive tests......zero..........so 2 total cases for the county almost 2 months ago....both recovered and still no new cases.....

And Karens still insist I should wear a mask..........

I know.......great news for our community......but still think we never needed to lock down..........

Remind me to stay away from your county....you guys are plagued! DPS should roadblock all entry roads.

Here is Smith County the most active cases they have had is 60 out of a population of 239,000, I will take those odds any day!

My little town of 5,000 has one case and these people here act like the three horsemen are running wild

 

[FireInTheWire]

I think very highly of Peter Zeihan's work. It's tough to jump in the middle of it without first watching one of his formal lectures. For those who already understand his approach to the world, though, the following might be interesting. AFAIK, it's his most recent interview where he applies his thought process to the world when you mix in this virus and the economic impact it has had and will have.

Starting at 46:51 (Check the timestamp; YT links aren't reliable about hitting a precise time.), he addresses your opinion about the state of Europe and the EU going forward. He agrees with you.



For folks who want to invest the time, earlier in the interview he goes over the future of the oil business in a way that's fascinating. He also spends quite a while talking about how Texas is going to be a powerhouse of growth for the next few years, at least.

For folks who find him interesting enough to want to know more, just enter his name into the YT search box and look at all the 45-minute+ lectures from 1 to 7 years ago (fresher is generally better but not always) where the thumbnail shows him standing on a stage in front of a large audience. The title and thumbnail will let you know the audience. All those speeches are roughly the same except tailored to the audience. Pick one you have an affinity with and watch it. You may learn a lot. I know I have.

Thanks Ben. 22mins in and enjoying

 

[TX OMFS]

Which one of you did this? Supposedly was in Portugal.

 

[Rhino]

Which one of you did this? Supposedly was in Portugal.



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That's hilarious!

 

[gdr_11]

Talked with a friend today who told me her neighbor went to the doctor with some breathing problems. She was checked for pneumonia and bronchitis but was negative so the doctor diagnosed her with coronavirus and prescribed bed rest. When she asked why she was not tested for the virus the doctor told her that she did not show any of the symptoms.

 

[TX OMFS]

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[TX OMFS]

Talked with a friend today who told me her neighbor went to the doctor with some breathing problems. She was checked for pneumonia and bronchitis but was negative so the doctor diagnosed her with coronavirus and prescribed bed rest. When she asked why she was not tested for the virus the doctor told her that she did not show any of they symptoms.

I get the craziness in that story but how would a test have changed anything? I guess she could stop self isolating earlier if it's not COVID-19 but the treatment would be the same.

 

[Dinoble1]

The year was 1957: the so-called Asian Flu killed 116,000 Americans.
Here is a summary from the Centers for Disease Control:

In February 1957, a new influenza A (H2N2) virus emerged in East Asia, triggering a pandemic (“Asian Flu”). This H2N2 virus was comprised of three different genes from an H2N2 virus that originated from an avian influenza A virus, including the H2 hemagglutinin and the N2 neuraminidase
genes. It was first reported in Singapore in February ‪1957, Hong Kong‬ in April 1957, and in coastal cities in the United States in summer 1957. The estimated number of deaths was 1.1 million worldwide and 116,000 in the United States.
Like the current pandemic, there was a demographic pattern to the deaths. It hit the elderly population with heart and lung disease. In a frightening twist, the virus could also be fatal for pregnant women. The
infection rate was probably even higher than the Spanish flu of 1918 (675,000
Americans died from this), but this lowered the overall case fatality rate to 0.67%. A vaccine became available in late 1957 but was not widely distributed.

The population of the U.S. at the time was 172 million, which is a little more than half of the current population. Life expectancy was 69 as versus 78 today. Even with shorter lives, it was a healthier population with lower rates of obesity. To extrapolate the data to a counterfactual, we can conclude that this virus was more wicked than COVID-19 thus far.

What’s remarkable when we look back at this year, nothing was shut down. Restaurants, schools, theaters, sporting events, travel – everything continued without interruption. Without a 24-hour news cycle with thousands of news agencies and a billion websites hungry for traffic, mostly people paid no attention other than to keep basic hygiene. It was covered in the press as a medical problem. The notion that there was a political solution never occurred
to anyone.

There were a few voluntary shutdowns, such as The October 1957 LDS General Conference was cancelled because of the flu epidemic in 1957 and there may have been other organizations that did so, and it makes the point: society was not ignorant of the
pandemic. Instead, there was a variety of intelligent responses depending on
the risk. I’m speculating that this event would have included quite a number
of people on the list of the vulnerable.]

Again, this was a very serious flu, and it persisted for 10 years
until it mutated to become the Hong Kong flu of 1968.

The New York Times had some, but not much coverage:

The mystery of why today vast numbers of governments around the world (but not all) have crushed economies, locked people under house arrest, wrecked business, spread despair, disregarded basic freedoms and rights will require years if not decades to sort out. Is it the news cycle that is
creating mass hysteria? Political ambition and arrogance? A decline in philosophical regard for freedom as the best system for dealing with crises?
Most likely, the ultimate answer will look roughly like what historians say
about the Great War (WWI): it was a perfect storm that created a calamity that
no one intended at the outset.

For staying calm and treating the terrible Asian flu of 1957 as a medical problem to address with medical intelligence, rather than as an excuse
to unleash Medieval-style brutality, this first postwar generation deserves
our respect and admiration.


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[kbaxter60]

Talked with a friend today who told me her neighbor went to the doctor with some breathing problems. She was checked for pneumonia and bronchitis but was negative so the doctor diagnosed her with coronavirus and prescribed bed rest. When she asked why she was not tested for the virus the doctor told her that she did not show any of they symptoms.

Wait. Wait, back up the truck...
Apparently, the word "diagnosis" does not mean what it used to mean. Or at least what I THOUGHT it used to mean. Too bad that Dr guy isn't here to explain for us.
Makes me wonder if the dear neighbor has any family to help her?
Because what she is getting is not "medical care", it is "propagation of a hoax".
Not good.

 

[cvgunman]

Which one of you did this? Supposedly was in Portugal.



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That's my long lost cousin João

 

[gdr_11]

Well, my take is that:
- symptoms were not severe to be threatening
- coronavirus diagnosis was "assumed"
- treatment of bed rest also probably included a "call me if things get worse" add on

My friend took it as the doctor not finding anything serious and writing coronavirus on the chart as a placeholder in case things go south and, if not, adding another virus case to the files.

Doctors are like anyone else, they all have their individual perspectives on this issue. My doc subscribes to the "plandemic" theory and considers 90% of the Covid 19 hype to be rhetoric.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

And posted in the same thread?

 

[pronstar]

And posted in the same thread?

Shit LOL
I didn’t look up.
I’ll delete it to save bandwidth and speed page load times.


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[ZX9RCAM]

 

[kbaxter60]

Well, my take is that:
- symptoms were not severe to be threatening
- coronavirus diagnosis was "assumed"
- treatment of bed rest also probably included a "call me if things get worse" add on

Yes, I hope you understand that I didn't mean my post as an accusation of any sort. I just think that the treatment is wrong.

Someone said "the treatment is the same". Yes, isn't that a HAPPY COINCIDENCE???

But that's really not the point. If she had the virus, her doc might want to be thinking ahead, ordering a ventilator, making plans for the issues the virus can cause.

But most of all, I don't want to see more numbers added to Mayor Ron's nightly update. It's really his only justification for tanking the local economy and continuing to restrict liberties. Sometimes I don't know whether to laugh or scream. The death total for SA had been holding at 48 for several days. The other night it was bumped up by 4. They said three of them were deaths from days or weeks back, that were now considered to be Covid. I don't like this Dem style vote-counting very much. And I have been pretty much done with the whole thing for weeks. Time to move on and get this state back on track.