HEB no open carry

[RCK1999]

You want an answer? Most here won't like it. Certain areas of HIPPA should be opened up to NCIC such as autism, schizophrenia, etc.
My son should never be able to purchase a firearm. Does a face to face transaction between two private parties make my opinion invalid? Maybe yes. Maybe no. But there needs to be as much done to where my son can never purchase a firearm. My son can never be cured as far a current medical treatment/technology is concerned.

That's exactly the specific answer I was looking for. Interesting you bring up HIPAA laws and confidentialities. I have frequently commented that I believe that opening up HIPAA is going down a VERY SLIPPERY SLOPE. One might look to creating a database of citizens deemed mentally unfit. Who makes that diagnosis? How do you handle errors? How would you then identify these "marked" citizens? Think about our current "no fly" list. If 100% of the population does not have access to these lists, how is one to identify the marked citizen? How about a tattoo identifying each marked citizen.

I'm not bashing you as I see your concern. My issue is how do you put a system in place to do what you want and still maintain some semblance of liberty.

 

[DubiousDan]

I was thinking that when I go to HEB I'd have an empty holster on my belt as a silent protest but if anyone asked where my pistol was I'd say "In my pocket." Which would be true.

 

[vmax]

I think that would be like pissing your pants in a dark room
Nobody else knows or cares you did but it makes you feel all warm

 

[London]

I believe that opening up HIPAA is going down a VERY SLIPPERY SLOPE.

Nah. You have nothing to worry about. Stuff like that just doesn't happen. Everyone knows psychologists and psychiatrists are the last people to push a political agenda, right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry

 

[leVieux]

Listen, we have ALWAYS had legal Open Carry here in Louisiana.

The only problem I ever heard of was when some ignorant LEO didn't know the basic LAW.

We now have two standing Attorney General "Letters", abundant case law, a new "strict construction" Constitutional Amendment, and New Orleans has a Federal Court "Consent Agreement" to not bother non-criminal citizens with firearms.

Our Kid is a Police Detective and firearms instructor for a large city between Houston & New Orleans; he tells me that every officer in the state has had abundant training on the topic.

To re-iterate, I have never heard of a single case in which the "Open Carrier" has caused any trouble !

leVieux

 

[leVieux]

Deleted; was posted in the wrong place

 

[leVieux]

That's exactly the specific answer I was looking for. Interesting you bring up HIPAA laws and confidentialities. I have frequently commented that I believe that opening up HIPAA is going down a VERY SLIPPERY SLOPE. One might look to creating a database of citizens deemed mentally unfit. Who makes that diagnosis? How do you handle errors? How would you then identify these "marked" citizens? Think about our current "no fly" list. If 100% of the population does not have access to these lists, how is one to identify the marked citizen? How about a tattoo identifying each marked citizen.

I'm not bashing you as I see your concern. My issue is how do you put a system in place to do what you want and still maintain some semblance of liberty.

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Phoneguy, You don't know what you are asking for. I am an old Physician, semi-retired at a Medical School; have worked and taught at several Texas Med Schools.

HIPPA, combined with the recently MANDATED "EHR's" means that EVERY bureaucrat, governmental meddler, and snooper ALREADY has access to everything.

I advise friends to not discuss anything with any "provider" unless it is necessary for diagnosis or treatment !

leVieux

 

[Phoneguy]

leVieux and RCK1999, I agree with both of you. HIPAA isn't the kind of information that should be allowed for a suitability check. But how do we keep those with severe mental disorders from being able to purchase firearms? The doctors that the government would put in place might have personal or employer opinions that would slant their view. The families might have opinions on the individual's mental disorder.
As I have said before to people, "the guy that shot up so-and-so was a sane individual until he popped a breaker and then shot up the place". If there is a history/clinical diagnosis of a mental disorder (schizophrenia, Asperger syndrome, dementia), how do we keep them and those around them safe other than having a HIPAA type release to restrict/exclude the purchase of a firearm?
Legal disclaimer: Pro-2A and I do not agree with the "no-fly no-firearms" thing going around now because of the lack of due process.

 

[RCK1999]

leVieux and RCK1999, I agree with both of you. HIPAA isn't the kind of information that should be allowed for a suitability check. But how do we keep those with severe mental disorders from being able to purchase firearms? The doctors that the government would put in place might have personal or employer opinions that would slant their view. The families might have opinions on the individual's mental disorder.
As I have said before to people, "the guy that shot up so-and-so was a sane individual until he popped a breaker and then shot up the place". If there is a history/clinical diagnosis of a mental disorder (schizophrenia, Asperger syndrome, dementia), how do we keep them and those around them safe other than having a HIPAA type release to restrict/exclude the purchase of a firearm?
Legal disclaimer: Pro-2A and I do not agree with the "no-fly no-firearms" thing going around now because of the lack of due process.

Friend, I wish I had an answer to your question. I'm not even sure if there is a workable solution to solve this dilemma. Perhaps the best solution is to have more people in place with the ability to protect themselves and others when the unforeseen breakdown happens.

ETA: look at it like all the safety features built into cars these days. They are there to protect you in an accident. You don't know when the accident will occur, so you make sure to have defenses ready when you get into an accident. If you knew when an accident was to occur, you would simply avoid the area.


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[Phoneguy]

I'm not even sure if there is a workable solution to solve this dilemma.

There isn't.

 

[busykngt]

Obama / Democrats solution is to increase & tighten up 'background' checks & close the supposed 'loopholes'. {Yeah... that'll solve the problem}.

 

[TheDan]

Fucking '16ers...

 

[London]

But how do we keep those with severe mental disorders from being able to purchase firearms?

That's the problem. The question assumes you can; reality says you can't. If criminals can get guns in prisons they can get them anywhere. This is mostly a game of defense on the good people's part.

 

[Charlie]

That's the problem. The question assumes you can; reality says you can't. If criminals can get guns in prisons they can get them anywhere. This is mostly a game of defense on the good people's part.

'Zactly!

 

[Savage20]

Should I open carry? Is it smart?

 

[Southpaw]

Should I open carry? Is it smart?

You can, but Alex...... I'm not so sure if he should!!

 

[Savage20]

People like him shouldn't be allowed to own guns. The 2nd Amendment was not intended to apply to people like him, when it was written.

 

[Southpaw]

LOL!!!

 

[Mreed911]

My 18 year old son is on the autism spectrum. There is not one thing in place to keep him from going into an FFL or gun show, passing NCIC, and purchasing a firearm.

This is untrue. Such a mechanism exists today.

This is handled in civil/family court and is called conservatorship.

Whether you WANT to do this is a different story.

 

[boomgoesthedynamite]

This isn't directed at anyone... I firmly believe that if you can be trusted in society, you should be able to purchase a firearm. Too dangerous to own a firearm? Why is that person roaming free? What if they grab a hammer, or a knife, or a rock, or a tree branch?