Open Carry: Why????

[sdismukes]

While this could be true, it also means that if they are determined to rob this place YOU will be the first one shot....

Ummmm.... not so sure about that. Guy sees you, maybe so. But if you're "somewhere in the store", he'd have to go looking for you, waving his gun around in case he finds you, just to eliminate the OC threat. The guy would also have to see you go in, and follow you specifically to the exclusion of any other CC or OC carriers in the place. Doesn't make a lot of sense. If he's gonna rob the place, and he sees you OC going in, I bet he's gonna find a less risky place to rob rather than try to catch you unawares. But that also means he's been sitting at the curb a while, which is loitering and he's trying to not draw attention to himself.

Sure - guy goes into rob a bank he'll try to neutralize the bank guard first, if there is one. But for him to hunt down the OC guys maybe also in there, not so sure. Whatever he's doing, he's gonna want to be quick and get out of there.

If he's whacko, all bets are off. He is either targeting a specific group (bullies, teachers, etc) or he's gonna be indiscriminate and want to kill 'em all.

LEOs - please weigh in on this - am I off base or not?

 

[Sugar Land]

Details, details, details.. We don't need no stinking details... You tell em Cam....

 

[Patchntx]

He's pretty young, maybe he's still trying to fight off the public school progressive indoctrination and the liberal landscape that comes with being a child who depends on parents for survival. And of course if you want to know it all, ask a teenager (or close in years to teenager). They know, quite literally, everything.

I am pretty sure I am not that young. That's what my arthritis tells me anyhow. I am quite sure the days ahead are fewer than the ones behind. Spent my early years growing up on a farm. And I went to high school in the piney woods of east Texas in a country school, 30 years ago. You are just not a very good guesser.

 

[Pilgrim]

You got to have a thick skin to hang out here, Patch.... you should do fine.

 

[Patchntx]

A lot of people have already answered your original questions, Patch. I'm glad you found the answer you were looking for. As for you NOT supporting OC all I ask is that you think of it in this way...

Freedom is through some definitions the ability to make choices. When it comes to the enumerated rights enshrined in our Constitution regarding firearms, the choice to own, carry, and use them to protect those things which we hold dear "shall not be infringed". Restrictions are infringements. The supporters of open carry want ALL OF US to have our 2nd Amendment rights as outlined in our founding documents. If you choose not to OC then so be it but they want you to have the choice to do just that... or the inverse if you desire.

Getting behind the cause is beneficial for all of us regardless of whether or not we exercise that freedom. I'm sure you can get behind that, right?

Contrary to what others think they thought they read. I did not anywhere say I wouldn't support OC. I did ask for reasons other than Constitutional rights for OC. Questioning an idea and admonishing an idea are not even close to the same thing.

And while my personal belief is that the Constitution is the greatest of achievement of mankind, it is still not as powerful as public opinion. If someone wants me to get behind their beliefs, I all ears and will give anyone a fair shake. I would be happy to debate the different types of OC and its basis in Constitutional rights. I was trying to avoid that in this particular thread.

I do appreciate the fine folks that pointed out the tactical advantages of OC and tactical limitations of CC.

Also appreciate the input on real world legal problems with OC.

Thanks guys.

 

[Patchntx]

You got to have a thick skin to hang out here, Patch.... you should do fine.

My Skin is pretty thick. I can give it as well as I can take it. Been kind of holding back since I'm a noob on this forum though. Not my first forum or rodeo.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Ummmm.... not so sure about that. Guy sees you, maybe so. But if you're "somewhere in the store", he'd have to go looking for you, waving his gun around in case he finds you, just to eliminate the OC threat. The guy would also have to see you go in, and follow you specifically to the exclusion of any other CC or OC carriers in the place. Doesn't make a lot of sense. If he's gonna rob the place, and he sees you OC going in, I bet he's gonna find a less risky place to rob rather than try to catch you unawares. But that also means he's been sitting at the curb a while, which is loitering and he's trying to not draw attention to himself.

Sure - guy goes into rob a bank he'll try to neutralize the bank guard first, if there is one. But for him to hunt down the OC guys maybe also in there, not so sure. Whatever he's doing, he's gonna want to be quick and get out of there.

If he's whacko, all bets are off. He is either targeting a specific group (bullies, teachers, etc) or he's gonna be indiscriminate and want to kill 'em all.

LEOs - please weigh in on this - am I off base or not?

My scenario was based on people waiting in line for service, & bad guys walking in from behind en route to the money, pretty typical daily occurrence for most people.....

 

[Mexican_Hippie]

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2) Tactical and legal advantages are more predicated on your choices in a situation (based on situational awareness and knowledge of the law) than where your holster sits.
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Still stands.

 

[Mexican_Hippie]

Don't go through life oblivious and think about when/where OC makes sense and you'll be fine.

 

[Rhino]

Don't go through life oblivious and think about when/where OC makes sense and you'll be fine.

Exactly! I open carry right now - at times - with a pre-1899 Smith and Wesson .38. That doesn't mean I do it in an offensive manner, or without regard to wisdom. I'd say right now I wear it about 10% of the time.

 

[AustinN4]

Exactly! I open carry right now - at times - with a pre-1899 Smith and Wesson .38. That doesn't mean I do it in an offensive manner, or without regard to wisdom. I'd say right now I wear it about 10% of the time.

What are the circumstances of your OC - when and where?

 

[BIGPAPIGREG]

My Skin is pretty thick. I can give it as well as I can take it. Been kind of holding back since I'm a noob on this forum though. Not my first forum or rodeo.

I doubt that^^^^^

 

[Pilgrim]

Contrary to what others think they thought they read. I did not anywhere say I wouldn't support OC.

My mistake I guess? I assumed that based off one of your responses...

Quote: "I honestly don't care one way or the other about OC. I have zero intention of getting behind the OC folks. But I wouldn't be one to stand in their way either."

I read that to mean that you don't support OC...

 

[Southpaw]

My mistake I guess? I assumed that based off one of your responses...

Quote: "I honestly don't care one way or the other about OC. I have zero intention of getting behind the OC folks. But I wouldn't be one to stand in their way either."

I read that to mean that you don't support OC...

That statement sounded the same way to me as well.. ??

 

[XinTX]

My mistake I guess? I assumed that based off one of your responses...

Quote: "I honestly don't care one way or the other about OC. I have zero intention of getting behind the OC folks. But I wouldn't be one to stand in their way either."

I read that to mean that you don't support OC...

Typical Prog/Troll tactic. Say something, then later in the debate claim to have never said it.

 

[Krw17]

It's funny how staunch gun rights guys focus their most voracious attacks on those that seem on the fence. Let's try to explain to the OP why it is important to this group without calling him a flaming liberal.

It's funny but unlikely to change his mind.

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[winchster]

It's funny how staunch gun rights guys focus their most voracious attacks on those that seem on the fence. Let's try to explain to the OP why it is important to this group without calling him a flaming liberal.

It's funny but unlikely to change his mind.

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I, of course will become the new target but I would prefer we put our energy into recruiting the undecided into seeing things our way instead of trying to belittle them into conformance.


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You want some amusement? Go look at OCT Facebook page and see how they treat someone that attempts to have a discussion about all of this. The guys here are going pretty light by comparison.

 

[Younggun]

It's funny how staunch gun rights guys focus their most voracious attacks on those that seem on the fence. Let's try to explain to the OP why it is important to this group without calling him a flaming liberal.

It's funny but unlikely to change his mind.

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I, of course will become the new target but I would prefer we put our energy into recruiting the undecided into seeing things our way instead of trying to belittle them into conformance.


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I fully understand your point, however nothing about this guy points to him being on the fence. He asked the same question multiple times and refused to accept the answers he was given. That't not someone who is on the fence, that is someone who has made up their mind and is only looking to pick a fight over it. That is the reason he is being accused of trolling.


He doesn't want his questions answered, that's why he refuses to accept the answers to his questions.

 

[A.Texas.Yankee]

I like turtles.

 

[Krw17]

I like turtles.

That's funny right there I don't care who you are... Make it your sig.


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