Why should I want Windows 10 that MS wants to give me for free?

[DubiousDan]

Likewise. I'll just keep uninstalling it every time it shows up.

Don't 'ya just love it when MS makes changes to your computer without asking you first? Reason enough to never give MS another dime.

If you chose to install updates automatically then if you really think about it, you gave them permission. It is after all an update. I uninstalled it again and changed my update settings so that they are not updated and installed automatically and when KB3035583 showed up again to be downloaded I right clicked and chose "Hide Update". Hopefully it will stay gone.

 

[Tcruse]

Having used Win 7 and now on Win 8.1 Update 1. Some differences on each release but not nearly as many differences as many claim. Having tested both Win 10 Preview and Win 10 Enterprise Preview, Win 10 seems to be stable and somewhat faster than Win 8. Now, some are pushing for the "Aero Glass" from Win 7 to be added back in so performance may drop to the level of Win 7. Win 10 has a "Start Button" and a "down sized Metro" environment. The big reason to upgrade is to continue to receive security updates and to continue to purchase add on software and hardware. It appears that "Project Spartan" (or Edge) will be the replacement for Internet Explorer. Some may like it I have not found much fondness for the much reduced level of configuration options. As a software developer, all of my critical tools continue to work, even ones that are outdated.

 

[mitchntx]

Instead of a resident system, this moves you to "The Cloud". Oh, you don't own it; you rent it. Every bit of software that lets you do anything will be a new charge, and ultimately it will be done with annual fees.

This is the tactic Adobe migrated to a few years ago.
It can get pricey at times.

Found a full install CS6 version and will find another avenue when it outgrown.
I'll have retired by then.

 

[AustinN4]

If you chose to install updates automatically then if you really think about it, you gave them permission. It is after all an update. I uninstalled it again and changed my update settings so that they are not updated and installed automatically and when KB3035583 showed up again to be downloaded I right clicked and chose "Hide Update". Hopefully it will stay gone.

I am positive my update setting was already just to notify me as nothing has ever loaded on its own before. But when I checked, sure enough, it was on automatic. Another sneaky move by MS, no doubt. Changed it back and deleted the update again. It will be interesting to see if the change sticks this time.

 

[DubiousDan]

I am positive my update setting was already just to notify me as nothing has ever loaded on its own before. But when I checked, sure enough, it was on automatic. Another sneaky move by MS, no doubt. Changed it back and deleted the update again. It will be interesting to see if the change sticks this time.

It's still off here.

 

[Southpaw]

I am positive my update setting was already just to notify me as nothing has ever loaded on its own before. But when I checked, sure enough, it was on automatic. Another sneaky move by MS, no doubt. Changed it back and deleted the update again. It will be interesting to see if the change sticks this time.

I decided against going with this update so I changed my setting to notify only and just noticed it changed it back to automatic as well. I also removed the update.

 

[karlac]

I decided against going with this update so I changed my setting to notify only and just noticed it changed it back to automatic as well. I also removed the update.

Windows 7 Home Premium on the laptop. WU set to notify/let me choose.

Uninstalled KB3035583 at 9AM yesterday morning (took over an hour to restart).
WU reinstalled it again at 4:30 this morning.

This fucking laptop's ownership is obviously in dispute...

 

[IXLR8]

Just disable the update service.

I would like to see it reload after that....

 

[karlac]

Just disable the update service.

I would like to see it reload after that....

Yabbut, keeping current on security updates, on most any OS, is not an option in the 21st century, especially on any device used for business.

 

[cncfan]

Looks like I am one of the few that likes Windows 8/8.1. Been running it for a year or two and have had no problems. Old desk top is a mouse click or two away if that is what you want. Have yet to find a program it will not run that I am interested in.

Anyone changing OS's should first back up the os to an external or backup drive. I use Macrium Reflect (free version). Will save you a lot of time if you have to fall back, been using it for years.

Macrium Reflect Free - Free download and software reviews - CNET Download.com

 

[IXLR8]

Yabbut, keeping current on security updates, on most any OS, is not an option in the 21st century, especially on any device used for business.

Thinking that updates are keeping you safe is a Microsoft perpetuated fantasy. Regular backups stored seperately are the only protection that is absolute.

 

[IXLR8]

The day Windows 8 rolled out, every major computer reseller was ordered by Microsoft to remove Windows 7 computers from display. You were forced to comply with the tiled metro interface whether you liked it or not, if you wanted to buy a computer.

Microsoft lost a lot of business that year. Windows 7 became available again. The tiled interface can now be disabled. I hope they learned something from this. If they are trying to only sell software as a service, then I predict they will experience the same amount of pushback that they had with Windows 8 the first year. They claimed to have shipped 50 million copies Windows 8, but 40 million users rolled back to Windows 7.

Windows 8 is up to 6.47% market share after 3 years. Windows 7 is 57%, and XP is 28%.
http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0

 

[karlac]

Thinking that updates are keeping you safe is a Microsoft perpetuated fantasy. Regular backups stored seperately are the only protection that is absolute.

You will get rid of that notion about the time you pollute a backup with countless types of malware.

Storing a backup separately has nothing to do with malware security, but every thing to do with data security.

You're confusing the two ...

 

[IXLR8]

You will get rid of that notion about the time you pollute a backup with countless types of malware.

Storing a backup separately has nothing to do with malware security, but every thing to do with data security.

You're confusing the two ...

Your thinking like an enterprise IT specialist, and I am thinking like an individual. All the updates that you can download cannot protect you from the stupidity of a single user.

 

[karlac]

Your thinking like an enterprise IT specialist, and I am thinking like an individual.

Not quite. Thinking as self-employed business man, one of whose many business interests was indeed intimately involved with Internet/network technology, and who learned the wisdom of applying basic security principles to both enterprise and individual computer security.

All the updates that you can download cannot protect you from the stupidity of a single user.

Can't argue with that.

But, all the backups you make, regardless of storage location, cannot protect you from a malware infected backup that is used to restore.

 

[IXLR8]

VM's are a good substitute. If one gets infected, delete it and reload the master.

 

[rushthezeppelin]

At least you guys aren't having to deal with Vista ATM (or God forbid ME......shudder). So my aunts computer decided to crap out on her. I determined that the power supply was fried and her mobo had a blown capacitor so I decided to start somewhat from scratch. Got her an FM2+ board with 4gb of ram and an AMD A4 7300 APU. So I go to update drivers in vista and run into all sorts of problems. I finally find out that indeed the board I bought has drivers that don't support Vista....great. So my aunt grabs win 7 (she works at UT so she got uber discount at least) and I've been trying to install that. It gets all the way to completing installation and BSODs on me and restores Vista. I had to do a separate install as I had her grab 32 bit win 7 to be on the safe side and she had 64 bit vista on her comp so I couldn't upgrade. I'm pretty well convinced its Vista giving me problems but I'll know for sure once I copy her HD onto an external and FDisk Vista with extreme prejudice.

 

[TheDan]

At least you guys aren't having to deal with Vista ATM (or God forbid ME......shudder). So my aunts computer decided to crap out on her. I determined that the power supply was fried and her mobo had a blown capacitor so I decided to start somewhat from scratch. Got her an FM2+ board with 4gb of ram and an AMD A4 7300 APU. So I go to update drivers in vista and run into all sorts of problems. I finally find out that indeed the board I bought has drivers that don't support Vista....great. So my aunt grabs win 7 (she works at UT so she got uber discount at least) and I've been trying to install that. It gets all the way to completing installation and BSODs on me and restores Vista. I had to do a separate install as I had her grab 32 bit win 7 to be on the safe side and she had 64 bit vista on her comp so I couldn't upgrade. I'm pretty well convinced its Vista giving me problems but I'll know for sure once I copy her HD onto an external and FDisk Vista with extreme prejudice.

Boot to a flash or cd that has some tools on it. I used to use Hiren's, but there might be better out now... Delete the windows folder and the sys files in c:\, then install 7. That will be like a "clean" install without wiping the whole drive. You'll have to reinstall programs, but all her old data will still be there. Unless she saved stuff in the windows folder that is, lol...

 

[DubiousDan]

Boot to a flash or cd that has some tools on it. I used to use Hiren's, but there might be better out now... Delete the windows folder and the sys files in c:\, then install 7. That will be like a "clean" install without wiping the whole drive. You'll have to reinstall programs, but all her old data will still be there. Unless she saved stuff in the windows folder that is, lol...

Hiren's is a life saver.

 

[wile-e-coyote]

I skimmed over all 6 pages of this thread. I'm a little surprised that nobody has yet mentioned (that I saw..I did just skim over it) the main reason for moving to Windows 10.

If you're a gamer or have a family member who plays games on the machine, you will have access to Directx 12.

I work in IT at the workstation level and I am an avid gamer. I never move to a new OS until I feel like there is a good reason to AND I think that most of the new OS issues have been worked out. I'm still on Windows 7 on my gaming rig because I haven't seen any reason to go to 8(.1).


I will take Microsofts offer to exchange my Win 7 Ultimate license for a Windows 10, but I have a year to do it. So I will be monitoring the PC gaming forums and I'll make sure my hardware's drivers are working with 10 and my favorite games are working in 10 before I do anything.

If you don't know anything about directx 12. Here are a couple of highlights.

Dx12 won't have a new bag of graphics eye-candy tricks that will require specific hardware. It's a move to allow game coders and driver developers to use existing hardware more efficiently by letting them get closer to the hardware. I know that is very vague if you aren't in the IT world but "closer to the hardware" always benefits everyone involved.
This is pretty cool too: I read that with Directx 12, the graphics chip on your motherboard that never gets used as soon as you install a graphics card will get a new life. The dx12 api will let developers offload some functions to the on-board chip and unburden your GPU a bit. Of course that chip has no access to the VRAM on your card so it's out of the loop when your talking about rendering frames, but it can do things like physics calculations.

Here's a link to the developer blog if anyone want's read about it in more detail.