What not to do on the range

[SC-Texas]

 

[Portals]

OMG!
That guy needs to be committed. He is too dumb to walk around by himself.

 

[Dcav]

Wow.

 

[matefrio]

"Five shots into the little man" and they all miss... can't believe it. As executioners they suck.

 

[steve-o-556]

Oh good god.

 

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[billto48]

What in the hell is he thinking? Never mind he isn't thinking.

 

[matefrio]

There is a huge story, back story and details about this and the training this guy's class provides. All was flushed out in 2009. Let me see if I can find the tread.



Starting at 1:30 look to the left by the trees and you see a man in a white shirt down range:

 

[winchster]

Just to play devils advocate. If you're sure of your students training and confident that at the distance they're firing from, what's the real problem? The stress induced on the two students flanking him is a real training tool.
Not that I would ever suggest anyone try this at home but in a controlled environment it really is better training. Much better than simply punching holes in paper.

 

[txinvestigator]

Just to play devils advocate. If you're sure of your students training and confident that at the distance they're firing from, what's the real problem? The stress induced on the two students flanking him is a real training tool.
Not that I would ever suggest anyone try this at home but in a controlled environment it really is better training. Much better than simply punching holes in paper.

No.

 

[winchster]

Ok TXI that has to be the shortest response I've ever seen from you.

Next? And I'm not trying to stir the pot I'm asking for an honest, civil, discourse on the subject.

 

[Designated]

Just to play devils advocate. If you're sure of your students training and confident that at the distance they're firing from, what's the real problem? The stress induced on the two students flanking him is a real training tool.
Not that I would ever suggest anyone try this at home but in a controlled environment it really is better training. Much better than simply punching holes in paper.

Yes

 

[matefrio]

IIRC it was a level 1 or starter course. Students weren't operators. Not that that REALLY matters to us sane folks.

 

[txinvestigator]

What is seen in the video in the OP is both stupid and dangerous. It serves no training purpose. I have been to plenty of schools run by reputable people, and I can promise you none of them would ever ask a line of students to shoot with a person down range.

If I had been a student I would not have participated in that drill, and I would have left. I have participated in shooting on the move, stationary and moving turns, 2 man tactics where you shoot in extreme close proximity with a partner, and other drills that raise the stress level. Even at that, we wear body armor and ANYONE not 100% sure the drill is safe may sit out with NO objection from an instructor.

 

[TexasRedneck]

Sorry - but going down range in a live fire exercise - when ANYTHING can happen - is proving you're the idiot everyone thinks you are. Period. I don't give a good damn HOW professional the shooter, HOW deadly accurate he is - too many things can happen that aren't planned for. You try something like that on a range *I* am on, I *WILL* stop the line.

You wanna set up a remote camera, that's fine - the only thing at risk is equipment. But given all the tools available to photographers today, there's simply NO good reason to put yourself - or anyone else - at that kind of risk.

 

[AKM]

I can kind of see where hes coming from. but it doesnt show good safety practices. I dont think I would have agreed to be one of the shooters in the middle. theyve been real lucky they havent had any injuries.

Oh on a semi-unrelated note....2 cars coliding at 55mph equal hitting a wall at 55 NOT 110mph. Newtons 3rd law look it up. Sorry people trying to sound smart but dont know how things really work annoy me.

 

[Lucky Loser]

Well not as bad as I thought.


Shoot an apple off his head.

 

[Dawico]

I have heard of classes where students stand across from each other and point their (unloaded) weapons at each other. This is done to allow the students to get the feeling of having a weapon pointed at them. I thought that was dangerous. The first video takes the cake.

 

[TexasRedneck]

No comment.....point an "unloaded" gun at another human?

TOTAL FAIL!!

 

[hkusp1]

Is it to late for an abortion?