Mass Layoffs at SilencerCo

[Mowingmaniac 24/7]

Guys, if you're old enough, recall Texas Instruments calculators cost hundreds of dollars when they first came on the market.

Now, you can buy a calculator at Walmart for less the $5.00 and it works perfectly and offers more types of calculations than did the original T.I. calculator.

Same thing has happened with a jillion other products like flat screen televisions. Remember how costly they were when they first hit the market? Now, they're much less costly and better quality to boot.

Same will happen with suppressors.

 

[Younggun]

Lol

Suppressor tech isn't new. They are cheap everywhere else.

The market has been fucked with via gov regulation. This is in no way similar to TI calculators.


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[40Arpent]

Suppressor tech isn't new.

Truth is, you can hardly refer to it as "technology" outside of the metallurgy aspect. Ain't a whole lot of 1's and 0's involved in the development and construction of suppressors. Lol

 

[Mowingmaniac 24/7]

Younggun,

I think you're missing my overall point.

I do agree once government gets out of product involvement costs will come down.

I also think innovation is likely if government will get out of the way.

I think suppressors can be improved, though some think it's reached it's ultimate in development.

There's room for further evolution.

 

[Dawico]

Younggun,

I think you're missing my overall point.

I do agree once government gets out of product involvement costs will come down.

I also think innovation is likely if government will get out of the way.

I think suppressors can be improved, though some think it's reached it's ultimate in development.

There's room for further evolution.

Always room for further development. Either in suppressor technology or on the gun or ammo end.

We may see the end of aftermarket suppressors all together eventually.

 

[Mowingmaniac 24/7]

D.

"We may see the end of aftermarket suppressors all together eventually."

Presumably, you mean to be replaced by something superior?

Any speculation as to what?

 

[Dawico]

D.

"We may see the end of aftermarket suppressors all together eventually."

Presumably, you mean to be replaced by something superior?

Any speculation as to what?

Integrated in the barrel is my first thought but who knows.

Future gun powder may make no noise, or at least no boom.

Like any advancement, all it takes is one key piece to change everything.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Rail gun technology....

 

[ZX9RCAM]

And don't forget phasers (sp).

 

[Younggun]

I don't expect to see silent powder because it would have to not create any pressure.




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[Dawico]

I don't expect to see silent powder because it would have to not create any pressure.




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So some advancement is necessary?

We got rid of the smoke, spotty ignition and eradicate burning already. Even copper fouling has been eliminated with some new powders.

We are always moving in the right direction.

 

[TX OMFS]

You're forgetting the supply side, which will explode.

That's what she said.

 

[Younggun]

So some advancement is necessary?

We got rid of the smoke, spotty ignition and eradicate burning already. Even copper fouling has been eliminated with some new powders.

We are always moving in the right direction.

If it uses a powder propellant there must be expanding gasses. You could slow them down enough to not make noise, but you'd be slowing the bullet down as well.

Gonna have to get away from powder to get away from the boom it makes.


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[Dawico]

If it uses a powder propellant there must be expanding gasses. You could slow them down enough to not make noise, but you'd be slowing the bullet down as well.

Gonna have to get away from powder to get away from the boom it makes.


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While I agree with your basic principle, look at a car engine and all the explosions and noise going on there. Even the noisy diesels from 10+ years ago are whisper quiet now. More power, more efficient, and quieter than ever.

The advancements just can't be predicted.

 

[Younggun]

I believe with diesels the clattering had to do with the injection. The burning (explosion) inside the cylinder is really as loud as ever.

Pull the exhaust manifold off an old and new diesel and see how much difference it makes

Basically, cars and trucks have better suppressors now, as well as DPF (diesel phuckup filters), catylitic converters, etc.


The physics that create the sound of a gun firing can only be quieted at the end of the barrel with a muffler. You can't remove the bang without removing the propellant (hot, fast, expanding gasses) that makes the bullet go fast.

It would require a whole new way of propelling the bullet, such as a rail gun as mentioned. Of course, gonna suck trying to in to all those ranges that don't like magnetic bullets.


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[Darkpriest667]

The law of supply and demand has happened, frankly I don't know how those silencer companies are staying in business, I am not paying more for a silencer than I paid for my actual rifle/pistol. Sorry, it's not happening. Especially considering I can make one of the damned things for less than 100 bucks. I understand their fabrication and technologies might be expensive for them, but the day the HPA passes you will see me building them in my room for less than 5% of the cost. A large percentage of people I know own guns, none of them own a silencer. Reason? Tax stamp #1 Price #2

Everytime I go into the gunshops they have tons of silencers, and they have a nice little paper that says the current wait time from the ATF is 8 months. That's ridiculous and I'm not dropping 1000 bucks (with the 200 dollar tax stamp included) for a piece of non necessary equipment. It's a novelty frankly and while it might be nice to shoot without ears outside sometime, I'm not paying 4 digits for the luxury. I have custom hearing protection that cost me 60 dollars that is fantastic and I can hear normal conversation quite clearly with it.

 

[GunDok]

I run suppressors in the UK, we can buy a top end all steel QD Suppressor that is full auto rated for the equiv of 500 bucks.
the best selling .22 suppressor is the SAK, which costs the equiv of 40 bucks.

Im about to move to Tx, and i'm no rush to pay 1k for a can, plus 200 on a tax stamp.....

 

[Younggun]

The law of supply and demand has happened, frankly I don't know how those silencer companies are staying in business, I am not paying more for a silencer than I paid for my actual rifle/pistol. Sorry, it's not happening. Especially considering I can make one of the damned things for less than 100 bucks. I understand their fabrication and technologies might be expensive for them, but the day the HPA passes you will see me building them in my room for less than 5% of the cost. A large percentage of people I know own guns, none of them own a silencer. Reason? Tax stamp #1 Price #2

Everytime I go into the gunshops they have tons of silencers, and they have a nice little paper that says the current wait time from the ATF is 8 months. That's ridiculous and I'm not dropping 1000 bucks (with the 200 dollar tax stamp included) for a piece of non necessary equipment. It's a novelty frankly and while it might be nice to shoot without ears outside sometime, I'm not paying 4 digits for the luxury. I have custom hearing protection that cost me 60 dollars that is fantastic and I can hear normal conversation quite clearly with it.

Many say this.

And then one day get a suppressor, and a year later realize their rifles without threaded barrels have been collecting dust...


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[Whistler]

I believe with diesels the clattering had to do with the injection. The burning (explosion) inside the cylinder is really as loud as ever.

Pull the exhaust manifold off an old and new diesel and see how much difference it makes

Basically, cars and trucks have better suppressors now, as well as DPF (diesel phuckup filters), catylitic converters, etc.


The physics that create the sound of a gun firing can only be quieted at the end of the barrel with a muffler. You can't remove the bang without removing the propellant (hot, fast, expanding gasses) that makes the bullet go fast.

It would require a whole new way of propelling the bullet, such as a rail gun as mentioned. Of course, gonna suck trying to in to all those ranges that don't like magnetic bullets.


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Maybe not a "whole new way" maybe just not powder or combustion... I get your point regarding the current propellants but there are other chemical reactions than can create extremely rapid expansion, maybe eliminate muzzle flash as well. Sometimes its incremental or just a tweak and not entirely new tech.

That's what I like about this place, interesting thoughts in the oddest places.

 

[Darkpriest667]

Many say this.

And then one day get a suppressor, and a year later realize their rifles without threaded barrels have been collecting dust...


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Look I get it, they're fun to shoot with, but I am just not dropping the equivalent of 2 guns worth of money on a can. It's not economically rational behavior.