Army chooses Sig Sauer to build its Next Generation Squad Weapon

Darqhelmet · Apr 29, 2022

oldag said:
Proud of that one, aren't they.

lil bit.

pronstar · Apr 29, 2022

The government doesn’t care what Sig charges them, it’s not their money being spent…

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oldag · Apr 29, 2022

pronstar said:
The government doesn’t care what Sig charges them, it’s not their money being spent…

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That was the price for the civilian version.

Given all the DOD ridiculous requirements, who knows how much the government models cost.

Remember the company that was castigated for selling $700 toilet seats to the AF for cargo aircraft back in the 80's? I looked at it and the guy was losing money even at $700 a pop, due to outrageous government specifications, testing requirements, etc. They only took that contract to stay in DOD's good graces for the other stuff they sold in quantity.

robertc1024 · Apr 29, 2022

oldag said:
That was the price for the civilian version.

Given all the DOD ridiculous requirements, who knows how much the government models cost.

Remember the company that was castigated for selling $700 toilet seats to the AF for cargo aircraft back in the 80's? I looked at it and the guy was losing money even at $700 a pop, due to outrageous government specifications, testing requirements, etc. They only took that contract to stay in DOD's good graces for the other stuff they sold in quantity.

I'd believe that in a heartbeat. I've been working on trying to figure out how to do some required testing, from the government, for some products we are trying to sell to a subcontractor. Item is ~$3k, testing costs >$16k.

A1Oni · Apr 29, 2022

i doubt the NGSW is actually going to be in service, because the round it fires is stupid hot and the tech being used is far better on something like an M4 or M16 pattern rifle in 5.56mm.

Darqhelmet · Apr 29, 2022

Colts were 600 bucks when I was in and I want to say the FN’s where 800.

The sig m17/m18 is dirt dirt cheap for the DoD. Same with M9’s.

Darkpriest667 · Apr 29, 2022

A1Oni said:
i doubt the NGSW is actually going to be in service, because the round it fires is stupid hot and the tech being used is far better on something like an M4 or M16 pattern rifle in 5.56mm.

well they ordered 20k of them lol

A1Oni · Apr 30, 2022

Darkpriest667 said:
well they ordered 20k of them lol

half of them will have throat erosion or grenade chambers soon enough.

London · May 29, 2022

On paper it would make a good replacement for DMRs, until part life is factored in. 80k psi is absurd.

Too many better calibers that could have been used. The Ukraine situation is exposing concerns of enemy night vision and armor capabilities to be way overblown.

Also... Lancer mags?! That's going to be a disaster. Lancers puke rounds.

Wudidiz · Jul 18, 2022

The Army is replacing the M4 standard rifle and M249 (Squad Automatic Weapon) with the Sig XM5 and the Sig XM250. This is a switch from 5.56mm ammo to 6.8mm (built to better penetrate body armor). I read where the XM5 is 2 pounds heavier than the M4. I wouldn’t enjoy packing that along with the standard gear load and ruk. In the 60’s I transitioned from the M14 to the M16 and learned to appreciate the lighter carry. I wonder who the lucky manufacturer is for the 6.8 ammo?

Sasquatch · Jul 18, 2022

Wudidiz said:
The Army is replacing the M4 standard rifle and M249 (Squad Automatic Weapon) with the Sig XM5 and the Sig XM250. This is a switch from 5.56mm ammo to 6.8mm (built to better penetrate body armor). I read where the XM5 is 2 pounds heavier than the M4. I wouldn’t enjoy packing that along with the standard gear load and ruk. In the 60’s I transitioned from the M14 to the M16 and learned to appreciate the lighter carry. I wonder who the lucky manufacturer is for the 6.8 ammo?

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IIRC the original solicitation was for a complete system, I thought Sig was also awarded the contract for the ammo to feed these things.

XM5 looksl ike the Sig 556 and the M4 got mooshed together. Similar enough manual of arms that the transition should be pretty easy. Guessing the standard capacity mag will now be 18 or 25 rounds, instead of 20 or 30.

toddnjoyce · Jul 18, 2022

Did we not have this conversation a couple of months ago?

gll · Jul 18, 2022

Wudidiz said:
The Army is replacing the M4 standard rifle and M249 (Squad Automatic Weapon) with the Sig XM5 and the Sig XM250. This is a switch from 5.56mm ammo to 6.8mm (built to better penetrate body armor). I read where the XM5 is 2 pounds heavier than the M4. I wouldn’t enjoy packing that along with the standard gear load and ruk. In the 60’s I transitioned from the M14 to the M16 and learned to appreciate the lighter carry. I wonder who the lucky manufacturer is for the 6.8 ammo?

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Army Brig. Gen. William Boruff, who is in charge of adapting Lake City to produce mass volumes of 6.8x51mm ammo, noted in a news conference that SIG Sauer will provide most of the Army's ammo for the next three to five years while Lake City ramps up production.

The Lake City Army Ammo Plant is making its first new round in 65 years

In 2007, the Lake City Army Ammunition Plant produced nearly 1.4 billion rounds of ammo. Located on 3,935 acres of land near Independence, Missouri, Lake

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Darkpriest667 · Jul 18, 2022

toddnjoyce said:
Did we not have this conversation a couple of months ago?

I belive I started the thread or was very active in it. This is a duplicate. Admins should merge.

gll · Jul 18, 2022

toddnjoyce said:
Did we not have this conversation a couple of months ago?

Does it really matter if you have to ask? I can hardly remember yesterday... every day is a new day.

toddnjoyce · Jul 18, 2022

Darkpriest667 said:
I belive I started the thread or was very active in it. This is a duplicate. Admins should merge.

Found it.