What signs will bar entry to a business for CC person if legislation passes?

[rotor]

I have gone through the entire legislation and still do not see what signs will have to be posted to keep someone carrying without a LTC from entry, assuming we get CC. We know for those with LTC it is 30.06/07, 51% TABC, but what will notice be for those without a LTC? Gun-buster sign, no weapons allowed, etc.? I know that the legislation says verbal or written personal communication but specifically, does anyone have any idea of what will have to be on the door to keep a non-LTC holder from entry with a handgun? Are we going to see a ton of gun buster signs?

If this has been covered before I apologize now.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

It's been very thoroughly discussed in the existing thread....


ETA: No, nobody knows.

 

[toddnjoyce]

Too early to tell.

 

[rotor]

Actually reading the final version there are signs that keep CC out but not LTC unless 30.06/07 posted too. So, there will need to be dual signs. I will renew my LTC.

 

[satx78247]

Actually reading the final version there are signs that keep CC out but not LTC unless 30.06/07 posted too. So, there will need to be dual signs. I will renew my LTC.

rotor,

As I often travel out of Texas for business/TP rallies/pleasure, I will KEEP/RENEW my LTC.

yours, satx

 

[Random Vato]

There will now be 30.05 signs. Property owners will need to post three signs to keep LTC and non-LTC people from carrying. The 30.06 & 30.07 signs will still only be for license holders. This is a good thing.

Things may get interesting as many people do not know that 30.06 & 30.07 signs currently exist. I wonder if (and how much) the media will bring attention to 30.05 signs. Also some gun free places, that may not be obvious to everyone they’re gun free by law, do not need to post these signs. Most people find out about all this when they take the LTC class.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

There will now be 30.05 signs. Property owners will need to post three signs to keep LTC and non-LTC people from carrying. The 30.06 & 30.07 signs will still only be for license holders. This is a good thing.

Things may get interesting as many people do not know that 30.06 & 30.07 signs currently exist. I wonder if (and how much) the media will bring attention to 30.05 signs. Also some gun free places, that may not be obvious to everyone they’re gun free by law, do not need to post these signs. Most people find out about all this when they take the LTC class.

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[oldag]

Next we need to shoot for doing away with 30.05, 30.06 and 30.07.

 

[toddnjoyce]

The additive signage requirement is a legislative clusterfûck.

 

[Haystack]

I have gone through the entire legislation and still do not see what signs will have to be posted to keep someone carrying without a LTC from entry, assuming we get CC. We know for those with LTC it is 30.06/07, 51% TABC, but what will notice be for those without a LTC? Gun-buster sign, no weapons allowed, etc.? I know that the legislation says verbal or written personal communication but specifically, does anyone have any idea of what will have to be on the door to keep a non-LTC holder from entry with a handgun? Are we going to see a ton of gun buster signs?

If this has been covered before I apologize now.

Here is what the HRO bill analysis says. But this was written back in April. Not sure how the final text of the bill will, or will not address the issue of signs.

Signage. The bill would not create a burden for business and property owners who wish to prohibit the carrying of a handgun on their premises under the bill. As the bill simply would treat handguns in a manner similar to the manner that rifles and long guns are currently treated under state law, the notification provisions under the criminal trespass law would be sufficient to communicate that entry by a person carrying a handgun without permit was prohibited. For example, an effective sign could be as simple as a picture of a gun with a prohibition symbol over it.

But if I interpreted the final bill correctly, the provision in the Alcoholic Beverage Code requiring the blue signs will be rescinded. I wonder if the TBAC will be forceful in making retail establishments take those down.

 

[oohrah]

The TABC Red 51% sign will still be effective regardless: "It is unlawful for a person to carry a handgun on this premise, including a person licensed ..."

 

[rotor]

There was a pretty good posting of this on another site. I am banned from them but this appears to be good...

HB 1927 (Unlicensed Carry) Signs - TexasCHLforum.com

 

[no2gates]

 

[seeker_two]

What sign?....

CLOSED


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[majormadmax]

§30.05 is general criminal trespass, I don't see how it could be applied strictly to Constitutional Carry.

However, the "gunbusters" sign is not the road we want to go down!

I believe it would be better to revise §30.06/30.07 to include those who Constitutional Carry in addition to LTC holders.

I don't see a need to treat those who carry without a permit differently than those who do!

 

[kyletxria1911a1]

51% still applies right?

 

[rotor]

51% still applies right?

Yup

 

[toddnjoyce]

§30.05 is general criminal trespass, I don't see how it could be applied strictly to Constitutional Carry.

However, the "gunbusters" sign is not the road we want to go down!

I believe it would be better to revise §30.06/30.07 to include those who Constitutional Carry in addition to LTC holders.

I don't see a need to treat those who carry without a permit differently than those who do!

HB 1927 adds language to TPC 30.05 authorizing a sign prohibiting firearms (not handguns) with 1” letters, in English and Spanish. LTC is a defense to prosecution under that subsection of the code.

 

[no2gates]

 

[kyletxria1911a1]

Effin it ain't a 30.06 or 07 I don't trip.