what are the issues with the xd?

[NOLA Jack]

What facts did he state that you disagree with?

 

[Odiferous]

I had an XDM .45 - couldn't shoot it as well as I wanted to - no issues, gun-wise.

 

[SIG_Fiend]

Grip angle is all-important to me when choosing a handgun because I've trained to be a quick-draw point-shooter my whole life. My XD points exactly like my 1911s did and do - Glocks do not. I don't even use the sights on my XD or 1911s within 50 ft when shooting cans, steel, and pie plates. I only use my sights when I need to make a deliberately super-accurate or long-range shot. When I tried point shooting with two different Glocks, I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. Even a few degrees makes all the difference in the world.

This is pretty much all you had to say...

How dare you argue with his "facts!"

Seriously, it's pure opinion despite what he claims. The XD/XDM is one of the most popular polymer semi-auto handguns around and many of its advocates are former Glock lovers who have seen the light and prefer the more naturally-shooting 1911-style grip.

These so-called "facts" are the same rhetoric I've seen on numerous Glock forums, and these fanboys cannot accept the fact that many prefer the Springfield over the Glock.

I was a huge fan of Glocks, even carried one when I could in Bosnia (it was a vast improvement over the Beretta M9 I was issued); but the truth is when I first shot an XD back in 2006 I quickly realized it was a much better design and I could shoot quicker and more accurately than with the Austrian pistol it was based on.

I also realize it's not everyone's cup of tea, but to try to convince me that the Glock is a superior design just makes me laugh, especially when someone claims that's a "fact." Well, it's not, it's an opinion and couched as such I can accept it; but to claim it that it is supported by indisputable evidence just makes me smile and roll my eyes....

If a person can't shoot a Glock or feels the grip angle prevents them from shooting as well as they could, it is because that person cannot shoot. Doesn't mean people have to like the Glock, as I completely understand they have the ergonomics of a 2x4. That being said, a good shooter can pick up any gun and shoot it well, whether they like it or not. Also, at no point did I state Glocks are a "superior" platform. Actually, if people read back through my posts carefully, you'd see that my implication was simply that the two platforms are different. There's certainly no perfect platform out there, and each have their idiosyncrasies, which is all I was pointing out about the XD. The Glock has plenty of it's own, such as:

-Grip arch causing the gun hand to eventually slip around farther into "over grip"
-2x4 ergonomics
-The trigger components result in a "hitch" during and after breaking the shot, making it very easy to throw shots
-The serrated trigger can be damn irritating for a lot of people (smooth triggers are available from the factory)
-Sometimes the mags don't drop free
-Ejection pattern is erratic and due to the design of the gun and components, extraction function is very weak. Many 9mm Glocks are on the ragged edge of properly extracting/ejecting, which most people don't realize.
-Finger grooves are sized such that they don't fit for a lot of hand sizes
-You can get "Glock knuckle" due to the shape of the trigger guard, depending on your grip method


I'm not a Glock fanboy, so you are mistaken. They happen to be a very utilitarian and modular gun, which I happen to like. My main focus is shooting, and ultimately I could care less about the gun. Give me an XD or XD-M, I'll shoot it. Give me a beat to crap surplus TT-33 Tokarev, I'll shoot it. Give me a H&K VP70 with it's God awful 20lb trigger pull, I will shoot it....until my trigger finger wears out. LOL My ego is not invested in ANY platform, however, clearly yours is. Feel free to continue trying to marginalize my posts based on inaccurate generalizations, but the fact remains, none of the points I've made have been directly addressed or refuted.

BTW, you made a claim above that the XD was a "better" platform than Glocks. What are your facts to support that claim?

 

[itchin]

My glock shoots way better that my xd9 ever did. My opinion. I'm not a "fan boy" just a person who owns both and have compared them side by side. My glock has never broke. Xd has.

 

[40Arpent]

...I quickly realized it was a much better design... ...

...but to try to convince me that the Glock is a superior design...it's an opinion

So, is the first statement a fact, or merely your opinion?

 

[40Arpent]

My glock shoots way better that my xd9 ever did.

Don't you mean that YOU shoot your Glock better than your XD? Or were there accuracy and/or function issues with the XD itself, and not with the shooter?

 

[majormadmax]

So, is the first statement a fact, or merely your opinion?

Yes, which is why I said I realized it was a much better design.

Unlike others, I know the difference between "opinion" and "fact"...

 

[Skip]

My glock shoots way better that my xd9 ever did. My opinion. I'm not a "fan boy" just a person who owns both and have compared them side by side. My glock has never broke. Xd has.

Dude...was it the one I sold you?

"Character is doing the right thing even when no one is watching"

 

[itchin]

You're right. The high bore axis makes the xd more difficult to shoot accurately fast. I'm sure with more practice I could get better with it. That and the striker indicator breaking makes me prefer the glock. Sorry if it offends xd owners. I still like my xd and glock

 

[itchin]

Dude...was it the one I sold you?

"Character is doing the right thing even when no one is watching"

You sold me an xd45. I carry it everyday. Works great.

 

[Skip]

Cool, I got worried for a sec. Glad to hear you're happy with it bud.

"Character is doing the right thing even when no one is watching"

 

[itchin]

It's an awesome gun. 13 plus 1 rounds of .45 acp. What's not to like. I've put 2 spam cans of tulaammo through it. Not a hickup. It did take me a while to shoot well with it. I was anticipating recoil and throwing my shots low and left.

 

[40Arpent]

Yes, which is why I said I realized it was a much better design.

Unlike others, I know the difference between "opinion" and "fact"...

Well, you sure do a poor job of making opinion vs fact clear in your comments. Realization of facts....it happens all the time. See where I'm coming from? :-)

 

[breakingcontact]

S&W M&P with its lousy trigger FTW!

 

[NOLA Jack]

This is pretty much all you had to say...



If a person can't shoot a Glock or feels the grip angle prevents them from shooting as well as they could, it is because that person cannot shoot. Doesn't mean people have to like the Glock, as I completely understand they have the ergonomics of a 2x4. That being said, a good shooter can pick up any gun and shoot it well, whether they like it or not. Also, at no point did I state Glocks are a "superior" platform. Actually, if people read back through my posts carefully, you'd see that my implication was simply that the two platforms are different. There's certainly no perfect platform out there, and each have their idiosyncrasies, which is all I was pointing out about the XD. The Glock has plenty of it's own, such as:

-Grip arch causing the gun hand to eventually slip around farther into "over grip"
-2x4 ergonomics
-The trigger components result in a "hitch" during and after breaking the shot, making it very easy to throw shots
-The serrated trigger can be damn irritating for a lot of people (smooth triggers are available from the factory)
-Sometimes the mags don't drop free
-Ejection pattern is erratic and due to the design of the gun and components, extraction function is very weak. Many 9mm Glocks are on the ragged edge of properly extracting/ejecting, which most people don't realize.
-Finger grooves are sized such that they don't fit for a lot of hand sizes
-You can get "Glock knuckle" due to the shape of the trigger guard, depending on your grip method


I'm not a Glock fanboy, so you are mistaken. They happen to be a very utilitarian and modular gun, which I happen to like. My main focus is shooting, and ultimately I could care less about the gun. Give me an XD or XD-M, I'll shoot it. Give me a beat to crap surplus TT-33 Tokarev, I'll shoot it. Give me a H&K VP70 with it's God awful 20lb trigger pull, I will shoot it....until my trigger finger wears out. LOL My ego is not invested in ANY platform, however, clearly yours is. Feel free to continue trying to marginalize my posts based on inaccurate generalizations, but the fact remains, none of the points I've made have been directly addressed or refuted.

BTW, you made a claim above that the XD was a "better" platform than Glocks. What are your facts to support that claim?

Don't forget the shitty mag release

 

[SIG_Fiend]

Don't forget the shitty mag release

LOL, yep.

 

[tarheel7734]

S&W M&P with its lousy trigger FTW!

Hate the trigger on wife's shield.

 

[breakingcontact]

Hate the trigger on wife's shield.

What!? Thats the GOOD one compared to the M&P full size and compact!

 

[breakingcontact]

I checked out XD pistols before I bought my S&Ws. They feel like hell in my hands. I would like to shoot some though and see how I actually shoot them compared to my Smiths.

 

[Younggun]

It's funny how one person can love a trigger someone else hates.

I'm middle of the road on the shield trigger, but happy with it compared to the triggers on similar sized guns.

I really don't like Glock triggers, some Glock owners love them and can't stand the XDm trigger.