UNCONSTITUTIONAL

[leVieux]

"GUN CONTROL" is all unconstitutional !

Someone sent me this today:

https://priceoflibertyeternaly.blogspot.com/2021/12/a-page-from-diary-of-bill-sharpe_24.html

Please note that multiple SCotUS decisions woUld seemingly prohibit ALL efforts at limitations of our 2A RIGHTS.

We must assert our Constitutional RIGHTS at every turn, and in all geographic regions !

leVieux

 

[Texasjack]

Sadly, the country seems to be turning towards socialism, with a particular political party leading the way on that. That poor, old, tattered document we call The Constitution seems to be in their way and it's become a real nuisance to their cause. Speak your mind (per the 1st Amendment) and if it doesn't agree with "the narrative", you will be stomped on. Have a political rally that they don't like and their version of Hitler's Brownshirts (Antifa) will show up and club your folks. Hit back and you will be jailed without bond and convicted behind closed doors. That pesky 2nd Amendment? Well, PRIVATE OWNERSHIP OF FIREARMS IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH SOCIALISM. You don't have to look far to see people trying to get rid of it. (Google "The Squad". Watch any Robert Francis O'Rourke speech. I don't even need to mention Senator Chuck Schumer, who got to the Senate by claiming that Glock pistols don't show up on airport xray machines.)

Our children are being taught that America is a racist hell that unfairly run by corporations and that anyone supporting The Constitution or honoring the brilliant men who wrote it are Nazis. (Ironically, "Nazi" no longer means the political party of Adolf Hitler, because history is no longer studied in that kind of detail. History only matters when it matches "the narrative". Hence, my son's high school didn't teach that WWII was about stopping Hitler, Mussolini, and Tojo, it was about - and I quote - "Life During WWII", in which the IMPORTANT thing was that women and minorities got jobs in factories and thus felt good about themselves. The Holocaust? Not part of the narrative and, by the way, it kinda pisses off a large religious group to say anything sympathetic about Jews.)

Even the Salvation Army, which has for many years been listed as the very best charity to give your money, has joined in the "woke" movement and said that white people need to pray for forgiveness for all the prejudice they've shown throughout history! (Donations have plummeted as a result because actions really do have consequences.)

The last vestiges of Constitutional support are in the folks that are, in Obama's words, "still clinging to their guns and Bibles". We may be on the losing side, but I suspect we'll go down hard.

There's a great line from the TV series, Firefly:

Commander Harken : "For some the war will never be over. I notice your ship's called 'Serenity'. You were stationed on Hera at the end of the war; Battle of Serenity Valley took place there if I recall... Seems odd that you would name your ship after a battle you were on the wrong side of. "

Captain Reynolds : "May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."
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We may be on the losing side. I'm still not convinced that it's the wrong one.

 

[Hzeng]

Imagine the mental gymnastics people have to do to read Shall Not Be Infringed as - subject to reasonable restriction W,X,Y,and Z.

 

[cycleguy2300]

Imagine the mental gymnastics people have to do to read Shall Not Be Infringed as - subject to reasonable restriction W,X,Y,and Z.

Imagine if analogous restrictions were placed on voting...

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[TheDan]

Imagine if analogous restrictions were placed on voting...

 

[Danny2021]

They dont need votes anymore. They can and have been rigging any election necessary.

 

[leVieux]

They dont need votes anymore. They can and have been rigging any election necessary.

We knew of at least six prior rigged elections; but GOP just let them slide. McConnell is a useless creep !

 

[Hzeng]

We knew of at least six prior rigged elections; but GOP just let them slide. McConnell is a useless creep !

I’m pretty sure this tactic works for more than one party, but probably more so for one particular party.

If both teams are cheating, why do I feel like we’re always cheating less and losing more because of it?

 

[leVieux]

I’m pretty sure this tactic works for more than one party, but probably more so for one particular party.

If both teams are cheating, why do I feel like we’re always cheating less and losing more because of it?

I've never heard of a Republican fixing an election. From LBJ to Mary Landrieu, we had many obvious democrat ones. Numerous dead folks voting, in the same order in which their graves lined-up.

 

[Axxe55]

I've never heard of a Republican fixing an election. From LBJ to Mary Landrieu, we had many obvious democrat ones. Numerous dead folks voting, in the same order in which their graves lined-up.

You must live in cave somewhere.

Just plug this into you favorite search engine and see the resuts:

republicans caught cheating in elections

Republicans cheat and steal elections just like Democrats. I have no idea of whether you are naive, delusional or simply just ill-informed, but cheating happens on both sides of the political aisle, whether you choose to admit it or not.

BTW, FYI, Republicans are almost as bad as Democrats.

 

[Hzeng]

You must live in cave somewhere.

Just plug this into you favorite search engine and see the resuts:

republicans caught cheating in elections

Republicans cheat and steal elections just like Democrats. I have no idea of whether you are naive, delusional or simply just ill-informed, but cheating happens on both sides of the political aisle, whether you choose to admit it or not.

BTW, FYI, Republicans are almost as bad as Democrats.

I might be more jaded than most people in general but that’s the conclusion I arrived at. I don’t think the Republican Party is at the level of bussing paid protestors and reviving dead people to vote (maybe), mail in voting surprised me with how it went so I think in person voting at least cuts back on some of the possible cheating.

 

[thequintessentialman]

IMHO, the SCOTUS over the years has backed itself in a corner. The 1934 Firearms Act is not constitutional but nullifying it now would invalidate every firearms law in these United States overnight. It would open a pandora's box of mayhem before the country had a chance to adjust.

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[Hzeng]

IMHO, the SCOTUS over the years has backed itself in a corner. The 1934 Firearms Act is not constitutional but nullifying it now would invalidate every firearms law in these United States overnight. It would open a pandora's box of mayhem before the country had a chance to adjust.

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You hit the nail on the head, and that’s exactly why they don’t ever bother taking any 2A cases because of how political it is except for the NY may issue rule, serves them right.

 

[Axxe55]

I might be more jaded than most people in general but that’s the conclusion I arrived at. I don’t think the Republican Party is at the level of bussing paid protestors and reviving dead people to vote (maybe), mail in voting surprised me with how it went so I think in person voting at least cuts back on some of the possible cheating.

I can agree with that assessment. Comes back to an old saying, "You are either part of the solution, or part of the problem."

Republicans have had ample opportunity to fight the Democrats on many issues, but have repeatedly done nothing, but talk about the Democrats.

So IMO, the vast majority of the Republicans are just as much a part of the problem, because they damn sure ain't part of the solution.

 

[cycleguy2300]

IMHO, the SCOTUS over the years has backed itself in a corner. The 1934 Firearms Act is not constitutional but nullifying it now would invalidate every firearms law in these United States overnight. It would open a pandora's box of mayhem before the country had a chance to adjust.

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And?

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[leVieux]

IMHO, the SCOTUS over the years has backed itself in a corner. The 1934 Firearms Act is not constitutional but nullifying it now would invalidate every firearms law in these United States overnight. It would open a pandora's box of mayhem before the country had a chance to adjust.

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Sounds like exactly what is needed NOW.

The "Felon in Possession Law" would stand, the rest need to be eliminated. To HELL with what people in NYC "think". Allowing people, including Judges and Justices to substitute "what they think", or "feel", for our Constitutional guarantees is what got us into this mess of today !

The entire purpose of having a Constitution is to RESTRICT government.

Either we have a CONSTITUTION, or we don't !

leVieux
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[seeker_two]

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Sounds like exactly what is needed NOW.

The "Felon in Possession Law" would stand, the rest need to be eliminated. To HELL with what people in NYC "think". Allowing people, including Judges and Justices to substitute "what they think", or "feel", for our Constitutional guarantees is what got us into this mess of today !

The entire purpose of having a Constitution is to RESTRICT government.

Either we have a CONSTITUTION, or we don't !

leVieux
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I would limit the " felon in possession" law to those on probation and parole only. If you've done all the time, then the punishment is over.

 

[easy rider]

>
Sounds like exactly what is needed NOW.

The "Felon in Possession Law" would stand, the rest need to be eliminated. To HELL with what people in NYC "think". Allowing people, including Judges and Justices to substitute "what they think", or "feel", for our Constitutional guarantees is what got us into this mess of today !

The entire purpose of having a Constitution is to RESTRICT government.

Either we have a CONSTITUTION, or we don't !

leVieux
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Where in the Constitution does it say "Except for the Felon in Possession Law"? Exceptions is what has eroded the Constitution.

Of course, maybe I missed the part where it says "Shall Not Be Infringed, unless you're a felon"

 

[Axxe55]

I would limit the " felon in possession" law to those on probation and parole only. If you've done all the time, then the punishment is over.

Exactly. If we are going to go as far as to abolish or repeal all unconstitutional gun laws, then a former convict once they have completed their sentence should have all of their rights restored, including their right to bear arms as provided by the 2nd Amendment.

Last I checked, nothing in the 2nd Amendment has a provision for depriving anyone of their gun rights simply because they committed a criminal act. Only that they are deprived of any rights, if they are given due process of the law. IMO, that means only while they are sentenced, are they deprived of their gun rights, but once that sentence is completed, their rights are suppose to be restored as before.

I have always held the belief, that once a felon comes out of prison, all of their rights should be restored. If their is the belief or feeling that this person is so dangerous that they can not be trusted with a firearm in their possession, then logically I would believe maybe that they are too dangerous to be walking among us in society in the first place.

ETA:

So I don't believe we should be cherry-picking what parts of the gun laws we like and those we don't like. Either we live within what is already there, or we do away with all of them being unconstitutional.

Last I recall. if we restore the gun rights to a felon, and they commit a new criminal act using a gun, or not, that can be taken into consideration during sentencing for the new criminal act. And the simple fact is, "A Felon In Possession." law hasn't and never will keep a felon from getting a gun if they feel they need or want one. That's just some of that liberal anti-gun nonsense rearing it's head again.

 

[cycleguy2300]

I would limit the " felon in possession" law to those on probation and parole only. If you've done all the time, then the punishment is over.

Amen.

Use a firearm as an enhancement, but it shouldn't be a crime for any free person to own, use, have, possess a firearm

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