Trustfund Help Please ?

[Bithabus]

Thats just it ..I have the paper work with the TAX Stamp and Forms.......Just how do i go about getting a Copy of the Trust Fund since he is no longer in business ?? and i don't ever remember him sending me any ??

Are you pulling our leg? Your story is incredible.

 

[scgstuff]

Thats just it ..I have the paper work with the TAX Stamp and Forms.......Just how do i go about getting a Copy of the Trust Fund since he is no longer in business ?? and i don't ever remember him sending me any ??

What I think I am hearing is you have the tax stamps and paperwork for the cans, but you do not have the paperwork saying the trust is your's. Is that correct? If so, does having the stamp and paperwork mean anything if you can't prove you are a part of the trust?

 

[codygjohnson]

What I think I am hearing is you have the tax stamps and paperwork for the cans, but you do not have the paperwork saying the trust is your's. Is that correct? If so, does having the stamp and paperwork mean anything if you can't prove you are a part of the trust?

If the trust is invalid (which it very well could be, It doesn't sound like he's actually even seen it), then the Form 4 is invalid as well. While the DOJ could stick him in jail for it, they would probably let him have it fixed and call it done, but it would still cost some steep legal fees.

It's all rambling and I can't figure out what's really going on here. It's like some people live to explain things in the most confusing way possible. I should just let this go, it just bugs the hell out of me...like it's a stupid riddle or something. MY MIND IS SO FULL OF F**K RIGHT NOW!

 

[Bithabus]

If the trust is invalid (which it very well could be, It doesn't sound like he's actually even seen it), then the Form 4 is invalid as well. While the DOJ could stick him in jail for it, they would probably let him have it fixed and call it done, but it would still cost some steep legal fees.

It's all rambling and I can't figure out what's really going on here. It's like some people live to explain things in the most confusing way possible. I should just let this go, it just bugs the hell out of me...like it's a stupid riddle or something. MY MIND IS SO FULL OF F**K RIGHT NOW!

Then there's the part where he says the dealer shipped him the can

 

[Twisted.308]

Well I'm going to drop any more comments on here as yes i am cofused as hell too ...Contacted the Lawyer on here CODY to see if he can figure things out ?

 

[codygjohnson]

Like here:

I purchased a suppressor from Texas Tactical Toys...and I cannot get him to send me a copy of my Trust Fund !!!

I'm assuming he set up a trust but didn't send you home the original? It's your trust. You should have the original and it wouldn't be too far fetched for the dealer to not even keep a copy. Again, it's your trust.

Nope ..he set up the trust fund when i ordered the suppressor ..got a copy of the paperwork when I picked up suppressor in the mail !

Ok, starting to make sense...wait, you got a copy of the paperwork? What paperwork? The trust or a Form 4? You should have gotten the original Form 4 and you should already have the original trust. You had to have the original notorized for it to even be valid. THE MAIL?!?! Let me get this straight, you bought the suppressor over the phone and the dealer just mailed it to you? I'm not even going to start on this one.

I can scan the copy of my suppressor paperwork and e-mail it for you to look at ??

What paperwork? The Form 4?

On the Suppressor Paperwork under Trustee's Name .it says .. R.C.M. Revolving Living Trust Fund
I have never seen this paperwork or how this was setup in my name ?

The Form 4 doesn't have a section for Trustee's Name, you would enter that info under the Transferee's Name section. So now I'm being led to believe that you are in possession of the Trust? Wait, you've never seen this paperwork? I don't get it, you just said "On the Suppressor Paperwork", right?

I have a copy of the State Transfer papers with the Tax Stamp on it for that suppressorwhich I carry with me at all times as with my other suppressors and formed purchases

I don't know what "State Transfer papers" you are talking about. You are carrying around a copy of the Form 4473 or something? The State of Texas has nothing to do with the transfer. You've got other title II items that you DON'T have on listed on your trust? How did you aquire these items? Do you have multiple trusts or did you aquire them as an individual?

Thats just it ..I have the paper work with the TAX Stamp and Forms.......Just how do i go about getting a Copy of the Trust Fund since he is no longer in business ?? and i don't ever remember him sending me any ??

You have multiple forms seperate from the tax stamp? You should have one Form 4 with a stamp attached. A copy of the trust is worthless if it is challenged, you need the original. By "Trust Fund" do you mean the money or items used to start the trust? I keep reading "Trust Fund", so like a bank account?

I can't figure out why this is such an ordeal here.

I'm just not going to post on this anymore. Sorry if you feel like I'm flaming you Twisted.308, I'm just WAY more confused at this situation than I should be and I'm letting it get to me.

 

[codygjohnson]

Lets lock this thread or delete it.

 

[Tejano Scott]

Only 2 people I know could figure this out. 1 is Sean Cody. The other:

 

[Bithabus]

Is this correct:

You called the dealer and ordered a suppressor. The dealer asked you a bunch of questions and made a trust, then (someone) sent a form 4 to ATF. When the approved form came back the dealer mailed you the form with tax stamp and the suppressor.

Is that what happened?

 

[Twisted.308]

That about sums it up ,exactly how it went down Bithabus...sorry for all the confusion

 

[Bithabus]

That about sums it up ,exactly how it went down Bithabus...sorry for all the confusion

If that's what happened, not good. I agree with the others that you should hire a lawyer.

 

[Twisted.308]

A Lawyer has been contacted & already been started in motion how to get this fixed!
Thanks for the help guys !

 

[Acera]

Good Luck man, let us know how it comes out.

As far as getting the suppressor in the mail, can a dealer legally do that? I have always filled out a 4473 to get it off their books at their physical location. It would be really cool to order them in the mail.

 

[Bithabus]

Good Luck man, let us know how it comes out.

As far as getting the suppressor in the mail, can a dealer legally do that? I have always filled out a 4473 to get it off their books at their physical location. It would be really cool to order them in the mail.

Apparently a dealer can sell you a firearm and mail it to you if you are not in person at his shop, but only if certain hoops are jumped through. Not clear to me how this is consistent with Brady requirements, which the dealer must follow. Perhaps the customer fills out and signs the 4473 and mails it to the dealer (along with his ID document) before the sale is complete and then the dealer does NICS and ships out the item. Or maybe after the Brady law this just doesn't happen anymore (legally).

 

[jdadams195000]

You know I joined this forum because the other forum i was on had a bunch of Dbags just like several of you on here that only want to criticize and make fun of people instead of providing solid advice as acera did. You dont have to spend the whole thread playing gun buyers IQ with the OP that is just stupid and childish. Ive been buying and selling guns all my life and the ATF doesnt just kick peoples door down on a regular basis because of a forum post. Seriously grow the heck up and treat other people on the forum how you would want to be treated.

 

[Twisted.308]

I came on here looking for help because I trusted this guy and want to do everything legal and by the books , but what I felt in my gut something was fishy about the whole deal. Thanks to those who tried to steer me in the right direction!
.........I by no means want any troubles from ATF or any other Gov. Branch so I am taking immediate actions to get this cleared up ASAP
Thanks again

 

[noskilz]

Good News, Twisted, and Good Luck.

JD Adams, I think you've over-reacted just a tad by your Dbag name-calling post. Just about every poster here was trying to either figure out the facts or figure out a way to help. Let's be honest here, most of Twisted's posts about the problem were rather Jabberwocky-ish and took pulling teeth to get to the bottom of the issue.

I say, job well done, forum guys.

 

[medalguy]

I agree with noskilz. I just re-read all the posts and I'm STILL confused about the events. The OP didn't explain things well, and didn't use the correct terminology, and it WAS very difficult to figure out exactly what happened, when.

In any event, I hope this gets straightened out. This is another reason why anyone considering a trust should go to a QUALIFIED attorney who is very familiar with gun trusts to have the thing written, not some dealer who THINKS he knows how to practice law. I own a number of NFA weapons, and I can assure you these are not things to screw around with. Don't underestimate BATFE's ability or willingness to come pay you a visit if things are not in order.

 

[SC-Texas]

Is this correct:

You called the dealer and ordered a suppressor. The dealer asked you a bunch of questions and made a trust, then (someone) sent a form 4 to ATF. When the approved form came back the dealer mailed you the form with tax stamp and the suppressor.

Is that what happened?

If that is what happened it should not have happened that way. This is why the free trust from a dealer may not be so free.

 

[Bithabus]

If that is what happened it should not have happened that way.

Yep, though he says that's what happened.