The Sig P320 continues its golden legacy .

[London]

Sig = Shoots If Gravitized.

It's time the gun community acknowledged the P320 is an inferior and unsafe design. No amount of "Voluntary upgrades" will make it as safe to carry (and drop) as a Glock.

MPD requested Sig Sauer install missing gun part days after first accidental shooting, emails show

"I am going to therefore assume that the remaining Sig Sauer P320 Milwaukee Police Department inventory is also missing that part," MPD captain wrote.

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[Havok1]

This is a bigger issue than jus the 320. Ron Cohen has ruined Sig as a company.

 

[Tcruse]

The news clip is really not very useful in that there were no details as to exactly what part was missing and what was the documented function of the part. Certainly, a SIG engineer should have been included as part of the the story BEFORE being aired.
We all know that the pre-2017 design had a problem, however, with the many thousands of the firearms in circulation that have the upgrade it seem the severity of the issue is not a great as claimed.

 

[Sasquatch]

Well, I see a great opportunity for Smith & Wesson, Glock, or CZ to sweep in and make a sweetheart deal to get them to switch from the P320. Even if its a "loss leader" deal like Glock is famous for - new guns + mags + duty holster in trade for whatever it was the agency was already carrying.

Then they turn around and sell the department's old guns to a wholesaler to liquidate and recoup some costs. Then they get to advertise that they have another police agency that has adopted their gun.

 

[TheDan]

Real Sigs are made in W. Germany.

 

[candcallen]

Guns going off in holsters or desk drawers are less than ideal for certain.

 

[London]

The news clip is really not very useful in that there were no details as to exactly what part was missing and what was the documented function of the part. Certainly, a SIG engineer should have been included as part of the the story BEFORE being aired.
We all know that the pre-2017 design had a problem, however, with the many thousands of the firearms in circulation that have the upgrade it seem the severity of the issue is not a great as claimed.

All P320s have problems. It is a fundamentally flawed design. Reducing the trigger mass was a work-around for a bad design and not a proper fix.

Sig were idiots for not including a firing pin block and trigger tab like everyone else and now it's too late to fix properly. This is the same design that rightfully bankrupted Honor Defense.

 

[Texasjack]

Another bunch of useless crap from the Glock fanbois.

 

[London]

Another bunch of useless crap from the Glock fanbois.

News stories about dangerous guns are useless? What do glock fanboys have to do with any of this?

 

[Sasquatch]

P320s do have firing pin blocks. The firing pin block is actuated by the trigger, just like on every other gun.

The P320 fix should've been going to a Glock style trigger blade "safety" that needs depressed in order for the trigger to come rearward far enough to disengage the firing pin block and release the sear.

The P320 and the similar 365 FCU are not the first guns to feature light triggers without the firing pin blades - but they're the first widely adopted duty / concealed carry guns that have such triggers without other safety features ala grip safety or thumb safety. Para Ordnance's LDA trigger guns included the manual safety and grip safety - those guns didn't have a problem being dropped and going bang.

 

[pronstar]

This is a bigger issue than jus the 320. Ron Cohen has ruined Sig as a company.

Which is all the more puzzling to me, because SIG sure seems to know how to win big government contracts of late.

Edit: added “win”

 

[Sasquatch]

Which is all the more puzzling to me, because SIG sure seems to know how to big government contracts of late.

Sig's QC definitely isn't what it used to be, but its not at its worst point by any means. Sig quality a few years ago damn near gave Sig the same reputation as Kimber. They had 5000 versions of the same gun in different colors and finishes and kept adding. Reliability was going to shit though. Seems they kind of pulled up on the stick and didn't crash, but they've still had some noteable flubs - 320's going bang when they shouldn't - striker dragging early 365's, etc.

They really have gone hard for Gov't stuff tho. They're almost like a modern Colt. Hopefully they don't wind up going the way Colt did!

 

[Havok1]

Sig's QC definitely isn't what it used to be, but its not at its worst point by any means. Sig quality a few years ago damn near gave Sig the same reputation as Kimber. They had 5000 versions of the same gun in different colors and finishes and kept adding. Reliability was going to shit though. Seems they kind of pulled up on the stick and didn't crash, but they've still had some noteable flubs - 320's going bang when they shouldn't - striker dragging early 365's, etc.

They really have gone hard for Gov't stuff tho. They're almost like a modern Colt. Hopefully they don't wind up going the way Colt did!

Well they were both ruined by the same guy…

Which is all the more puzzling to me, because SIG sure seems to know how to win big government contracts of late.

Edit: added “win”

Being cheap tends to have that effect.

 

[Mills]

Sig = Shoots If Gravitized.

It's time the gun community acknowledged the P320 is an inferior and unsafe design. No amount of "Voluntary upgrades" will make it as safe to carry (and drop) as a Glock.

MPD requested Sig Sauer install missing gun part days after first accidental shooting, emails show

"I am going to therefore assume that the remaining Sig Sauer P320 Milwaukee Police Department inventory is also missing that part," MPD captain wrote.

www.wisn.com

 

[candcallen]

I dont know how any law enforcement can carry that gun. In an out of holsters as much as modern police do, wayyyyyy too much IMHO, that's gotta weigh on their minds.

Seriously the damn thing have gone off in holsters sitting on golf carts and stored in desk drawers etc. They are only slightly more drop save than a lawn dart over a day care playground.

This will be like the 700 trigger. People will die and probably even go to prison over a couple decades when they should just bite the bullet and recall all of them now. The bean counters have probably already decided that actual damages and loss thru legal proceedings is preferred to the damage to the brand and loss of government contracts.

The first couple of discharges got people disciplined and ridiculed cause all modern weapons are supposed to be drop safe and only go bang if you pull the trigger of have bubbasmith phuck with the trigger. This is unacceptable.

 

[London]

Which is all the more puzzling to me, because SIG sure seems to know how to win big government contracts of late.

Edit: added “win”

Whoever saigned off on these for the Army needs to be stripped of rank and sent to Leavenworth. They didn't even complete the competition trials.

 

[seeker_two]

None of this would have happened if the departments had stayed with the S&W 3rd Gens and Beretta 92's.....

 

[Havok1]

I dont know how any law enforcement can carry that gun. In an out of holsters as much as modern police do, wayyyyyy too much IMHO, that's gotta weigh on their minds.

Seriously the damn thing have gone off in holsters sitting on golf carts and stored in desk drawers etc. They are only slightly more drop save than a lawn dart over a day care playground.

This will be like the 700 trigger. People will die and probably even go to prison over a couple decades when they should just bite the bullet and recall all of them now. The bean counters have probably already decided that actual damages and loss thru legal proceedings is preferred to the damage to the brand and loss of government contracts.

The first couple of discharges got people disciplined and ridiculed cause all modern weapons are supposed to be drop safe and only go bang if you pull the trigger of have bubbasmith phuck with the trigger. This is unacceptable.

Firing in holsters isn’t a sig issue. It’s a holster/user issue. It tends to happen when holsters, particularly for WML’s have large gaps where items can get inside and cause the trigger to be pulled.

 

[Mills]

I beg to differ, watched a 320 fire from perfect holster during steel challenge match.
Shooter had hands in surrender position.
After investigation it was determined it was guns fault.

I

 

[Havok1]

I beg to differ, watched a 320 fire from perfect holster during steel challenge match.
Shooter had hands in surrender position.
After investigation it was determined it was guns fault.

I

Investigation by who? What was determined to be faulty with the gun? why do we see it with other manufacturers as well?