SIGNAGE QUESTION

[leVieux]

Seeking serious info replies here.

Last Saturday I went to a private event in South Texas, held in a privately-owned "community center" not on public property, which displayed the two new (to me) White "No Licensed Concealed Handguns "and "No Open Carry" posters. Sorry, i don't have the specific wording, but neither was the RED "51%" sign.

What would / could happen if someone with Texas concealed carry permit would be ID'd inside while carrying ?

Sincere replies will be appreciated.

leVieux
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[ZX9RCAM]

Nothing, if they didn't meet all the requirements.

And from your post, we don't know.

 

[Axxe55]

Asked to leave or possibly cited for trespassing.

 

[Daley_G]

Asked to leave or possibly cited for trespassing.

That's really about it. Not having proper signage covers you in the sense that you can't be prosecuted for carrying, but given that it's their property they can ask you to leave because they don't like your blue shirt - just like you can ask anyone to leave your property because, well, it's your property. Like Axxe55 said - your only concern is trespassing and that's only if you don't leave.

All this is assuming no other outstanding factors like 51%, sports/gambling, etc.

 

[Axxe55]

That's really about it. Not having proper signage covers you in the sense that you can't be prosecuted for carrying, but given that it's their property they can ask you to leave because they don't like your blue shirt - just like you can ask anyone to leave your property because, well, it's your property. Like Axxe55 said - your only concern is trespassing and that's only if you don't leave.

All this is assuming no other outstanding factors like 51%, sports/gambling, etc.

Unless the signage meets the legal statutes, I'm doubtful any prosecution could take place.

 

[leVieux]

Nothing, if they didn't meet all the requirements.

And from your post, we don't know.

Sorry I didn't think to take a photo.

 

[rotor]

Seeking serious info replies here.

Last Saturday I went to a private event in South Texas, held in a privately-owned "community center" not on public property, which displayed the two new (to me) White "No Licensed Concealed Handguns "and "No Open Carry" posters. Sorry, i don't have the specific wording, but neither was the RED "51%" sign.

What would / could happen if someone with Texas concealed carry permit would be ID'd inside while carrying ?

Sincere replies will be appreciated.

leVieux
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The "No licensed Concealed Handguns" has no legal bearing for LTC but actually might encourage concealed carry under constitutional carry.
The "No Open Carry" might (untested yet) be legal to bar open carry under constitutional carry but not under LTC.
In any event the sponsors of this event have no understanding of Texas laws and could cite you for trespass if you refuse to leave after given verbal orders to leave if you then refused departure.

 

[Jarine88]

Prior to Constitutional Carry going into effect, we had 3 legal signs: 51%, 30.06 (no concealed carry) and 30.07 (no open carry).

Were these the signs? Or were they truly new?

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Exact wording, and 1" tall text minimum.

 

[seeker_two]

And how would they see your concealed firearm?.....

 

[no2gates]

And how would they see your concealed firearm?.....

"Is that a Hi-Point in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me?"

 

[General Zod]

For licensed carry, 30.06 and 30.07 are still the legally binding signage. Anything else is invalid and does not count as a legal "notification", although they can still verbally ask you to leave or pass you a note asking you to leave.

30.05 is the new standard for unlicensed carry, and it doesn't have the same wording requirements the licensed carry signs do. I'm pretty sure the 51% signs are still valid, but I could be mistaken on that one.

But the biggest point here is...any other signage is as legally binding as a vintage Farrah Fawcett poster.

 

[Axxe55]

For licensed carry, 30.06 and 30.07 are still the legally binding signage. Anything else is invalid and does not count as a legal "notification", although they can still verbally ask you to leave or pass you a note asking you to leave.

30.05 is the new standard for unlicensed carry, and it doesn't have the same wording requirements the licensed carry signs do. I'm pretty sure the 51% signs are still valid, but I could be mistaken on that one.

But the biggest point here is...any other signage is as legally binding as a vintage Farrah Fawcett poster.

Wished I still had my vintage Farrah Fawcett poster!

 

[leVieux]

And how would they see your concealed firearm?.....

They had a "security" guy, a Deputy who looked like he was equipped to assault a NAZI pillbox.

I have been on a crusade to explain to people who put those notices up exactly what they do and don't do. Most are too dumb to understand the explanations, and insist that they keep armed criminals away. . . . . . .

A while back someone posted a link to an explanation of current Texas signage; does anyone still have that link?

 

[rotor]

They had a "security" guy, a Deputy who looked like he was equipped to assault a NAZI pillbox.

I have been on a crusade to explain to people who put those notices up exactly what they do and don't do. Most are too dumb to understand the explanations, and insist that they keep armed criminals away. . . . . . .

A while back someone posted a link to an explanation of current Texas signage; does anyone still have that link?

Please quit your crusade. Teaching people to put up legal signs to prevent entry is not what is a benefit to 2A carriers. Better for them to post non-prosecutable signs.
Signage is on page 14..

 

[Axxe55]

They had a "security" guy, a Deputy who looked like he was equipped to assault a NAZI pillbox.

I have been on a crusade to explain to people who put those notices up exactly what they do and don't do. Most are too dumb to understand the explanations, and insist that they keep armed criminals away. . . . . . .

A while back someone posted a link to an explanation of current Texas signage; does anyone still have that link?

And pray tell just how many have changed and stopped putting up signage?

If the business or store is part of a chain, or corporation, the signs may because of company policies, or for insurance reasons. If that is the case, your crusade is pretty much wasted effort on your part.

 

[DoubleDuty]

Thus this issue needs to be changed at the state level

 

[benenglish]

I have been on a crusade to explain to people who put those notices up exactly what they do and don't do.

Please quit your crusade. Teaching people to put up legal signs to prevent entry is not what is a benefit to 2A carriers.

I have been known to take a middle route in these situations. I remember one business that had a properly worded 30.06 sign propped up on a stand at the reception desk. However, it wasn't legal; the text was about 3/8" high.

After I had finished my business there, I picked up the sign, showed it to the manager, and thanked him for so clearly welcoming concealed carriers in his business by using a non-compliant sign. I complimented him on finding a way to silence the stupid anti-gun people while letting us concealed carriers know that it was perfectly OK to carry a firearm on the premises.

While he still had a very confused look on his face, before he could parse out my words, I bade him farewell and walked out the door.

It might not have been a good idea (Rotor, I understand where you're coming from.) but it was sufficiently amusing to me that I indulged myself.

As an addendum, I know I did no harm because they never changed the sign. I continued to carry concealed in that establishment and never had a problem.

 

[seeker_two]

They had a "security" guy, a Deputy who looked like he was equipped to assault a NAZI pillbox.

I have been on a crusade to explain to people who put those notices up exactly what they do and don't do. Most are too dumb to understand the explanations, and insist that they keep armed criminals away. . . . . . .

A while back someone posted a link to an explanation of current Texas signage; does anyone still have that link?

Was he actively patting down or wanding people? If not, my initial question stands....

....and "correcting" the signs is useless and futile. Don't give the opposition helpful hints....

 

[leVieux]

Please quit your crusade. Teaching people to put up legal signs to prevent entry is not what is a benefit to 2A carriers. Better for them to post non-prosecutable signs.
Signage is on page 14..

Thank you for the link(s).

In the specific case I described, I was more interested in potential penalties. My Son who is a LEO, was also there, well-armed, and a much better shot than I, anyway.

As I live in a very small town, often the business is the ONLY one of its kind convenient to me; and, I seek to educate, b/c the more who actually UNDERSTAND, the better off we'll all be.

leVieux