Self actualization and self sacrifice cannot both dwell in the sovereign self.

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Personal autonomy, personal convenience, self determined meaning, own moral code, own reality, own goals, own romantic definitions, own lives in every respect, family is giving way, marriage is giving way, parenthood is giving way, even where marriage is happening, it might not happen for long, even where children are born, they might be accepted as a life long responsibility, they might not even be accepted as a short term responsibility to see them raised to adulthood, worldwide flight from family represents a victory of self actualization over self sacrifice.

This is a conscious pursuit of happiness that is without husband and is without wife, it is without permanence and is without kin, is without family and is without children, it is without parenthood and is ultimately is without responsibility to anyone other than the sovereign self.

Paraphrased: Albert Mohler 2-24-2015 podcast

 

[Mexican_Hippie]

They can both dwell in the same person in a very joyous way when they align their own actualization with serving others.

That alignment, if ever obtained, represents the ultimate freedom and happiness a human can have in this life.

I understand what he's "trying" to say, but he's not completely right.

 

[breakingcontact]

They can both dwell in the same person in a very joyous way when they align their own actualization with serving others.

That alignment, if ever obtained, represents the ultimate freedom and happiness a human can have in this life.

I understand what he's "trying" to say, but he's not completely right.

Thats a theological difference. Albert Mohler is a Calvinist. Read about Calvinism and TULIP. T is for total depravity.

Thanks for your thoughtful response.

 

[Mexican_Hippie]

I don't subscribe to Calvinism - lol

 

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I don't subscribe to Calvinism - lol

Just explaining his worldview and theology.

 

[Mexican_Hippie]

Just explaining his worldview and theology.

I know I'm just messin with you ;-p

It is sad that people appear to be becoming more self centered. I couldn't imagine life without family.

 

[breakingcontact]

I know I'm just messin with you ;-p

It is sad that people appear to be becoming more self centered. I couldn't imagine life without family.

It isnt just US either. Europe and Japan are in a real bad way.

This is the article he was discussing. The Global Flight from the Family http://www.wsj.com/articles/nicholas-eberstadt-the-global-flight-from-the-family-1424476179

As much as some cannot imagine life without their families many cannot imagine life without living as the unbridled version of their self.

 

[Mexican_Hippie]

I can't really say much more without going full bore theological up in heya!

 

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I can't really say much more without going full bore theological up in heya!

Apparently "they" dont care so long people arent arguing, insulting and attacking each other.

PM me if you think this discussion will be a banable offense.

It is a theological thing. I lived life my way, selfishly. That person is dead now.

 

[Mexican_Hippie]

This seems like one big public pm stream. No one wants to talk to us!

 

[breakingcontact]

No one wants to talk to us!

This isn't a first for me.

There are charismatic Catholics I hear. Maybe there can be calvinistic Catholics?

 

[outdare]

Guess my overview is it's the death of a grateful heart and born in its place selfishness. People lose track what it is like to help another.

 

[Mexican_Hippie]

Maybe there can be calvinistic Catholics?

Not diametrically opposed but highly incompatible theologies.

 

[breakingcontact]

So, self-actualization is all about manifesting in our lives what we think we can be, who we see ourselves truly as if we could just break free of all the things holding us back.

So it really touches on a lot of topics.

Very interesting conversation to be had around this.

Some would saying, being self-actualized, can be compatible with being self-sacrificing. "If I didn't have this mortgage to pay I'd go run an orphanage in Kenya."

 

[breakingcontact]

Not diametrically opposed but highly incompatible theologies.

They both start with C, come on man.

 

[ray22]

Maybe there can be calvinistic Catholics?

Man, that's one heck of theological oxymoron.

Govern wisely and as little as possible~Sam Houston

 

[Mexican_Hippie]

They both start with C, come on man.

Lol. I love Calvinists too. I just disagree with them.

 

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Lol. I love Calvinists too. I just disagree with them.

It's OK, I forgive you.

I'm a Baptist, I don't know that I'm a Calvinist. If I am, I'm a "4 pointer", which Calvinists don't like much.

 

[ray22]

Very interesting conversation to be had around this.

Some would saying, being self-actualized, can be compatible with being self-sacrificing. "If I didn't have this mortgage to pay I'd go run an orphanage in Kenya."

Just a thought but could the sacrifice one makes as a provider, protector and spiritual leader be considered as noble as doing missionary work.

Also I believe that there's a difference in being introspective and self centered.


Govern wisely and as little as possible~Sam Houston

 

[Mexican_Hippie]

It's OK, I forgive you.

I'm a Baptist, I don't know that I'm a Calvinist. If I am, I'm a "4 pointer", which Calvinists don't like much.

You don't need to forgive me if I'm one of the elect, and if I'm not I'm damned anyway (per Calvin)

ETA: but I appreciate it!