A grown man for serf defense?
Looks great, I’ll have to go check it out.I have an older one that is great, but they've gotten a lot of bad comments on here about their quality for the last several years. Mossberg 500 is probably another contender.
Self-defense or huntingBeginner level for what and for who? More information needed before advice can be given. Is it for a small child? A grown man for serf defense? Hunting Birds? Sporting Clays? Etc.
Self-Defense, but I’d be interested in getting into bird hunting.If you piss enough serfs off as a lord, a shotgun isn't going to matter.
More context is needed as to what would be appropriate. I'm a fan of my Mossberg 500, mainly because I like the tang safety. The drawback is it is harder to upgrade the magazine tube size. A Mossberg 590 or Remington 870 are better in that respect.
Hahaha al great advice. Thank you.To the OP, yes the Remington 870 is a great shotgun for both seasoned shooters and beginners.
As robertc1024 above mentioned, a handful of newer Express models from 2009 through 2020 (based on internet chatter) have had quality control and cosmetic issues... but they are far from junk. The 870 platform is a good all-around pump shotgun for hunting, sporting clays, and home defense. The gun will live much longer than you, and it will WORK as intended when you need it to. Parts are very abundant, fairly priced, and the action easy to maintain/keep clean. New or used, you should be fine picking one of these up.
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If budget is a driving force here, have you thought about looking into a Mossberg 500 or Maverick 88? These are arguably equal in performance and easy on the price tag.
Above all, avoid the Chinese shotguns.
Self-Defense, but I’d be interested in getting into bird hunting.
Avoid the chinese?
What's funny?
Oh. I see.Avoid the chinese
Let's see: Without any more iunformation from the OP I can say this about a Remington 870: The Remington 870, in 12 gauge - with appropriate barrel(s) and shells - is excellent for self/home defense, big game hunting up to at least black bear, upland bird hunting, waterfowl hunting, small game like rabbit & squirrel and anything between them and big game up to at least black bear. As for the size of the shooter, it is good for any gown man or woman who is big enough to shoulder it properly and then there is the 870 youth model in 20 gauge for the younger or somewhat smaller folks. I'd not recommend allowing a "small child" to shoot either a 12 gauge or a 20 gauge because small enough children are not sufficiently in bone structure (some bones still forming in young small children) to deal with the recoil of either. Of course some may boast how they started there 6 year old off with a shotgun to no ill effects but time will tell when they hit their 40s or 50s as to how much damage was done if Arthur I. Tis becomes overly friendly with them around those years and much less time may be needed to discover the child has bone/joint damage due to the recoil. The 870 is also good for sporting clays, trap and skeet; it's not fancy like some Beretta Over/Under shotguns but will get the job done. As for defense of serfs, not of lords or other royalty, I imagine it even would be a good weapon for the masses when fighting knights who say nee.Beginner level for what and for who? More information needed before advice can be given. Is it for a small child? A grown man for serf defense? Hunting Birds? Sporting Clays? Etc.