No More LTC Allowed At Texas State Fair

[seeker_two]

I wonder what it would take to nullify this new "security" system......

 

[roadkill]

Same thing as last year I imagine. After all they never determined how that punk got a gun in and instead decided to ban licensed carry.

 

[DoubleDuty]

Same thing as last year I imagine. After all they never determined how that punk got a gun in and instead decided to ban licensed carry.

Yep then those they don't catch will be armed and the law abiding won't be. Democrat logic

 

[leVieux]

It's simpler than that. The state can simply take themselves out of the enforcement of 'rules of conduct' on private property through criminal trespass. You can put up a sign saying 'no guns' or 'no pink undershorts' but if someone walks past it concealed carrying or wearing pink boxers and you find out about it after they leave, the state isn't going to do anything about it. That's not what trespass law is for anyway. And effectively that's the way it works now anyway. For public property, the operator of the property should not be able to physically prevent you from carrying. They already can't trespass you, but the State needs to enforce the rules against exclusion of LTC on public property leased to private operators. But they don't.

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My point was that we have two types of private property:

I was not addressing the current issue, i was just making a general comment on the Law.

One which is kept private, as a home, and which deserves strict private property rights.

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Another which is used by the Public, onto which the Public is invited or even solicited, maybe charged to enter. This type should not be able to demand that the public surrender their constitutional rights as a condition of entry. If you have noticed, many of our rights cannot be deprived by entry onto such property; why should our 2A be treated differently ?

This issue has come up here before, and many disagree with me while others have differing ideas. I’m just saying that this should be clarified up-front.

As to the State Fair; it should follow the law, not be exempt because some disagree with the law.

O/W, what is the purpose of laws ?

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[DoubleDuty]

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My point was that we have two types of private property:

I was not addressing the current issue, i was just making a general comment on the Law.

One which is kept private, as a home, and which deserves strict private property rights.

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Another which is used by the Public, onto which the Public is invited or even solicited, maybe charged to enter. This type should not be able to demand that the public surrender their constitutional rights as a condition of entry. If you have noticed, many of our rights cannot be deprived by entry onto such property; why should our 2A be treated differently ?

This issue has come up here before, and many disagree with me while others have differing ideas. I’m just saying that this should be clarified up-front.

As to the State Fair; it should follow the law, not be exempt because some disagree with the law.

O/W, what is the purpose of laws ?

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They should only have the right to ask you to leave. By posting no guns they are endangering everyone

 

[leVieux]

They should only have the right to ask you to leave. By posting no guns they are endangering everyone

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Exactly, as to that part of the issue.

We have another very malignant system here in the Trans-Sabine; in which permit holders are burdened by felony threats over innocent actions which would not be felony level for those who don’t have permits. This is just NUTS, and clearly legislators are bowing to industry lobbyists instead of serving their own constituent-Citizens.

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[roadkill]

It’s now been brought forth to the Texas Supreme Court for temporary injunction relief.

https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/sites/default/files/images/press/State%20Fair%20Petition%20for%20Writ%20of%20Mandamus%20SCOTX%20Filed.pdf?utm_content=&utm_medium=email&utm_name=&utm_source=govdelivery&utm_term=

Of interesting note in the brief was a reference to Bruen and that the SFOT has allowed firearms for 138 yrs with full knowledge by the city of Dallas and therefore Bruen would make it hard to see a historical analogue for a history of banning firearms.

 

[Aus_Schwaben]

What precautions have they made to keep out firearms carried by the criminals? Since that was the real problem to begin.

 

[ScottDLS]

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Exactly, as to that part of the issue.

We have another very malignant system here in the Trans-Sabine; in which permit holders are burdened by felony threats over innocent actions which would not be felony level for those who don’t have permits. This is just NUTS, and clearly legislators are bowing to industry lobbyists instead of serving their own constituent-Citizens.

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What are those threats? There are no felony level offenses that only apply to LTC holders by virtue of their license.

 

[dennisz]

So much for our “Conservative” 15th District Court of Appeals. Shot this one down.

 

[Bo10mm]

They will get any money from me. I will not go to the fair. Save money for reloading components.

 

[oldag]

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My point was that we have two types of private property:

I was not addressing the current issue, i was just making a general comment on the Law.

One which is kept private, as a home, and which deserves strict private property rights.

&

Another which is used by the Public, onto which the Public is invited or even solicited, maybe charged to enter. This type should not be able to demand that the public surrender their constitutional rights as a condition of entry. If you have noticed, many of our rights cannot be deprived by entry onto such property; why should our 2A be treated differently ?

This issue has come up here before, and many disagree with me while others have differing ideas. I’m just saying that this should be clarified up-front.

As to the State Fair; it should follow the law, not be exempt because some disagree with the law.

O/W, what is the purpose of laws ?

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Agree completely, although most on this board do not.

 

[AR1911]

Clearly the SFOT is violating state law by barring licensed and armed citizens.
Why can't Abbot direct the DPS to have troopers supervise the entry portals and ensure the law is followed?

 

[leVieux]

What are those threats? There are no felony level offenses that only apply to LTC holders by virtue of their license.

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Different State, similar principes.

see: “We have another very malignant system here in the Trans-Sabine”

I have lived in LA since 2008, but economically & politically, LA is sort of an appendage to Texas.

If Texas ever secedes, most of us want to go with Texas.

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[leVieux]

Clearly the SFOT is violating state law by barring licensed and armed citizens.
Why can't Abbot direct the DPS to have troopers supervise the entry portals and ensure the law is followed?

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Our new Governor in LA was once a LEO and does things like that.

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[ScottDLS]

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Different State, similar principes.

see: “We have another very malignant system here in the Trans-Sabine”

I have lived in LA since 2008, but economically & politically, LA is sort of an appendage to Texas.

If Texas ever secedes, most of us want to go with Texas.

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I know Louisiana law is somewhat quirky, but I'd like to know what laws apply to their permit holders that are felonies that would not apply if they weren't permit holders. That makes no sense, even for Cajuns.