Libertarians! Weigh in on the death penalty here.

[Dawico]

I was kidding. Sarcasm is hard over the internet.
Because they'd still be on our dime in the system

I figured that.

 

[rushthezeppelin]

Uber libertarian here and I 100% agree with the death penalty. If you violate another's right to life especially in premeditated, deliberate and/or gruesome ways then you are unfit to live in our society and have earned yourself an early boarding pass to meet your maker. Of course I still feel that the death penalty should not be carried out in a manner that violates that person right against cruel and unusual punishment, but we usually don't see that too much with the needle (except of course that famous recent case). Honestly I would like to see us go cheaper than these expensive ass sodium pentathol shots and just put a few 30c bullets into the offenders skull. I'm sure there are many ranges who would offer the use of their facility to help cut the cost down even more lol.

 

[breakingcontact]

Now...here is another interesting point. I do NOT like how the death penalty has been sanitized and turned into a medical procedure. It should look like death in some form, not a medical procedure.

Hanging or shooting seem to be more appropriate than injections or electrocutions.

Im not for suffering either but showing the finality of the punishment, the gravity of it, both in terms of a deterrence and out of respect for life overall, is more important than it being clean and tidy.

 

[Saltyag2010]

Now...here is another interesting point. I do NOT like how the death penalty has been sanitized and turned into a medical procedure. It should look like death in some form, not a medical procedure.

Hanging or shooting seem to be more appropriate than injections or electrocutions.

Im not for suffering either but showing the finality of the punishment, the gravity of it, both in terms of a deterrence and out of respect for life overall, is more important than it being clean and tidy.

I don't care too much on humaneness. As long as it's done quickly, cheaply and efficiently. If needling them gets too costly- they could make some 22cal machine with a chair or something but a doctor has to be there to make sure the criminal is actually dead. I don't want another person pulling a trigger unless it's a victims family member and they can't miss.

 

[rushthezeppelin]

You hit the nail on the head there I think. It's not supposed to be pretty and like your just passing in your sleep of old age or a stroke or aneurism. It's supposed to reflect the the graveness of your crime and send a message to others who would follow. Also think they should bring them back into the public a bit more. Perhaps charge admission to the range where the execution is performed (except of course with the family of the victim/s).

 

[rushthezeppelin]

I don't care too much on humaneness. As long as it's done quickly, cheaply and efficiently. If needling them gets too costly- they could make some 22cal machine with a chair or something but a doctor has to be there to make sure the criminal is actually dead. I don't want another person pulling a trigger unless it's a victims family member and they can't miss.

Not a bad idea either. Perhaps a rifle in a vice, 25yd shot already prezeroed and a string for the victims family to pull.

 

[Saltyag2010]

Not a bad idea either. Perhaps a rifle in a vice, 25yd shot already prezeroed and a string for the victims family to pull.

Too much room. I was thinking some kind of rifle or pistol with a mask attachment if a trigger has to be pulled. Maybe a face mask with a pistol attached to a mechanical trigger manipulating thing. 1 push button= 1 shot. The face mask keeps the poi where it is most efficient.

 

[breakingcontact]

Holy cow. You guys think about this too much!

 

[Charlie]

"An eye for an eye"? Pretty simple

 

[Younggun]

Something I want to point out closer to the subject of the OP.

In the death penalty debate it is also brought up as a question of whether or not we have the right to choose to kill someone as punishment. Why should we get to decide that they die.

I disagree with this premise. I don't believe we are choosing to kill people or deciding who dies. At some point, the person makes the decision to commit an act which could cost them their life. They are choosing to do something with a certain consequence, and therefore choosing that consequence.

An example: if I tell my some I will whip him if he throws rocks I'm not choosing to whip him, I'm giving him a choice to not throw rocks, or throw rocks and get his butt whooped.


The idea that we are making the choice to kill people is simply a misleading argument designed by bleeding hearts to cause feelings of unwarranted guilt for those who support capital punishment.

 

[Mexican_Hippie]

Killing folks is more expensive than jailing them for life.

 

[breakingcontact]

Killing folks is more expensive than jailing them for life.

Due to the legal appeals and such.

 

[Southpaw]

Killing folks is more expensive than jailing them for life.

Is that because of all the appeals and the time it takes to actually put the subject to death?

 

[Dawico]

Killing folks is more expensive than jailing them for life.

But it doesn't have to be.

 

[Dawico]

Too much room. I was thinking some kind of rifle or pistol with a mask attachment if a trigger has to be pulled. Maybe a face mask with a pistol attached to a mechanical trigger manipulating thing. 1 push button= 1 shot. The face mask keeps the poi where it is most efficient.

Too much hassle. The guillotine has worked well for many years.

 

[DubiousDan]

I'm not against the death penalty in principle, my concern is that an innocent person may be executed so I'm against it for that reason.

What I don't understand are the liberals who are against the death penalty but have no problem killing unborn children. Guess they want to kill them before they have a chance to commit a crime.

 

[matefrio]

There are crimes committed where it's time to put that person to death.

It just doesn't happen efficiently enough now.

Sort of like Nuclear power is the cleanest form of power yet there is too much red tape to build new plants.

 

[cpileri]

I am not sure i have reconciled my death penalty stance w my faith , either.

i am absolutely pro-life, and i also am Catholic. The Church believes that there are indeed some crimes so heinous that the perpetrator deserves death. My problem becomes; who has the right to end the perps life?
is it the state?
is it the surviving kin of the victim?
I am not sure.
The Church also allows for such authority to be given (by God) to the State, so in that sense it is acceptable to defer the administration of the death penalty to the state.
But i just cant shake that the victims family really ought to be the ones who have the final say, or even the right to administer the penalty themselves.
its a tough one to wrestle with, and I am looking forward to more discussion.
C-

 

[Younggun]

I am not sure i have reconciled my death penalty stance w my faith , either.

i am absolutely pro-life, and i also am Catholic. The Church believes that there are indeed some crimes so heinous that the perpetrator deserves death. My problem becomes; who has the right to end the perps life?
is it the state?
is it the surviving kin of the victim?
I am not sure.
The Church also allows for such authority to be given (by God) to the State, so in that sense it is acceptable to defer the administration of the death penalty to the state.
But i just cant shake that the victims family really ought to be the ones who have the final say, or even the right to administer the penalty themselves.
its a tough one to wrestle with, and I am looking forward to more discussion.
C-

See post 30.

It is the murderer who makes the choice, who takes the action which ultimately ends his life.

If you go to the casino and lose your saving on a roulette table, the casino didn't take your money. You chose to give it to them, just as a murderer chooses to take the risk of losing his life as punishment for his deeds.

 

[London]

I don't have religious baggage to cater to so to me it is simple: I support killing those who have been found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt of capitol crimes.