Sorry, I guess he was trying to say what I said.
Evidently neither one of us said it very well.
Like I said, maybe I'm just confused.
ZX9RCAM,
Perhaps the TRUTH is that NONE of the 3 of us "said it very well".
(CHUCKLE.)
yours, satx
Sorry, I guess he was trying to say what I said.
Evidently neither one of us said it very well.
Like I said, maybe I'm just confused.
ZX9RCAM,
IF he was NOT disagreeing with my post, what exactly do you believe that his post was meant to say??
yours, satx
Since you asked, here a bit of my thinking. I make no claims of being anybody that should be listened to either. I experiment and see what works well for me. Typically I lurk and try to pick up on things from the more experienced in the crowd....
1. I was "once upon a time, long ago" generally "considered to be" a good shot with pistol, rifles, riot-gun, smg & machine gun (before my eyes started going bad)
2. That over 75% of "home invasion intrusions" occur "in periods of darkness"
AND
3. Pistols & long arms (other than shotguns, firing shot) require "precision sighting",
HOW exactly do you believe that you or anyone else can defend home & hearth in the dark W/O the ability to see the SIGHTS??
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Anyone that tries to tell someone that a shotgun doesn't need to be aimed, is an idiot. They don't require as much precision aiming as most pistols or rifles, but still they do need to be aimed.
A pattern, rather than a group is much more forgiving with a shotgun. If I aim center mass with a 12 gauge, and hit the intruder or attacker in the shoulder instead, it will still do massive amounts of damage to that person.
This part of the reason for my preferences of shotguns for home defensive weapons. "
^^^Exactly, In the heat of a defensive moment a lot of things can happen (including short-comings on my own part)flinching, etc. If I hit a target in the shoulder/chest (off center) with a 20 or 12 ga shotgun (at most residential room distances, 3 to 10 yards) , it is normally going to be much more devastating than a similar strike with an AR15 or handgun single round. If the "hit" is in the optimal spot ("CNC", head shot etc.) it will matter little, but that is not usually what happens with "less-trained" people with their adrenaline racing.
In defense mode, shotguns are for close encounters.. I would never fire one in my house.. that's what my pistol(s) are for. I agree with Axxe55 that one should choose the tool that is best for the job and best for the individual. After shooting no less than 10,000 handgun rounds at the range, I am most comfortable with a pistol for all my defensive needs. I shoot shotguns just to blow the shit out of stuff for fun. too long, too heavy, and too cumbersome to carry around for EDC. ymmv.
In defense mode, shotguns are for close encounters.. I would never fire one in my house.. that's what my pistol(s) are for. I agree with Axxe55 that one should choose the tool that is best for the job and best for the individual. After shooting no less than 10,000 handgun rounds at the range, I am most comfortable with a pistol for all my defensive needs. I shoot shotguns just to blow the shit out of stuff for fun. too long, too heavy, and too cumbersome to carry around for EDC. ymmv.
Not sure I agree with this statement.... US military forces DOES NOT have (and NEVER has had) a "qualification test" of ANY sort for SHOTGUNS but DO have such "graded tests" for ever other individual/crew-served weapon ...
Not sure I agree with this statement.
In 2003 I participated in a shotgun qualification course jointly with the USAF. They definitely had a qualification standard based on scoring hits on targets at various ranges and those unable to meet the standard were not qualified/allowed to carry the shotgun for SP duty.
Now I only ever did it the one time with the Air Force and my Army duties never put a shotgun in my hands, so I can't claim anything beyond my experience.
MeOrangeVest,
Given that:
1. I was "once upon a time, long ago" generally "considered to be" a good shot with pistol, rifles, riot-gun, smg & machine gun (before my eyes started going bad)
2. That over 75% of "home invasion intrusions" occur "in periods of darkness"
AND
3. Pistols & long arms (other than shotguns, firing shot) require "precision sighting",
HOW exactly do you believe that you or anyone else can defend home & hearth in the dark W/O the ability to see the SIGHTS??
SORRY, but I'm NOT buying any.
yours, satx
MrOrangeVest,
UNLESS the USAF has changed their procedures since I retired the USAF also only "familiarizes" their SP personnel with the shotgun. = Scored only as PASS or FAIL.
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In my limited experience with that group, the pass/ fail was based on how many holes there were in the target over the varying distance. 00 buck was used and so many holes (a specific number at each distance) were needed to be allowed to carry the shotgun and be assigned the duties that came with toting said shotgun.
In my limited experience with that group, the pass/ fail was based on how many holes there were in the target over the varying distance. 00 buck was used and so many holes (a specific number at each distance) were needed to be allowed to carry the shotgun and be assigned the duties that came with toting said shotgun.