HB1359, introduce today... For Texas Secession

[Texasgrillchef]

This is brilliant, but we need to expand on it. Texas is a viable Country on it's own- BUT:
There is a backlash against 'coastal liberalism', that extends from the Gulf to Alaska - and may include Western Canada!
If this entire area were to even talk about consolidating as a monolithic block it would represent the major economic engine of the Western hemisphere. It would be a nightmare for the left.
I like giving liberals nightmares. All we need to do is TALK THIS UP! Will it ever happen? I do not think so, then again I never thought we would see a whore 'elected' VP.
Anything can happen!

If one studies politcal science, as it relates to economies of the world and success or failures of countries people would learna few things.

Look at why 3rd world countries are just that and have remained thirs world countries for centuries if not longer.

Here are several reasons

1. Lack of a good education beyond just learning Reading, Writing and math. Need things like Philosophy, political science, history and science as well.

2. They need natural resources

3. They need access to the oceans

We in Texas have multiple natural resources, we have excellant education, including state of the art research in medicine, high tech and history, and even archaeology, and more. We have access to the seas, and like one other poster here noted, one of the largest seaports in the world. DFW airport is also one the largest busiest airports in the nation as well.

Anyone who thinks secession will be an easy task is living in a fantasy world. Anyone who is truly serious about this knows full well that this wont be easy, or quick. It wont happen over night. The bill lays out a 6 year plan. I personally think it might even take longer then 6 years to acomplish even if it passes in November.

Right now what people need to consider if they are for or against it, is if they want to live under a corrupt liberal regime. Or if they want to move forward with living under our conservative values?

 

[Texasgrillchef]

Here is another thing though...
The States, the other 49 states, could vote to give us our freedom and let us secede, without it going to war.

I doubt all 49 states would vote against us, just like all 49 states wouldn’t vote to let us secede.

There maybe some states that wouldn’t want to let us secede, but would vote to let us, simply because they are to Liberal and would let us just to prevent civil war.

I don’t know if this is true or not, depends on who you want to ask I suppose. But in the last 6 months the Texas Militias, (many) have more then Tripled their membership. Some are saying over 2 million Texans are members of one militia or another. Is this true? Maybe maybe not. I would rather not put it to the test though.

Am I a member? Maybe maybe not. I’ll just let you ponder on that one.

 

[Axxe55]

Here is another thing though...
The States, he other 49 states, could vote to give us our freedom and let us secede, without it going to war.

I doubt all 49 states would vote against us, just like all 49 states wouldn’t vote to let us secede.

There maybe some states that wouldn’t want to let us secede, but would vote to les us, simply because they are to Liberal and would let us just to prevent civil war.

I don’t know if this is true or not, depends on who you want to ask I suppose. But in the last 6 months he Texas Militias, (many) have more the. Tripled their membership. Some are saying over 2 million Texans are members of one militia or another. Is this true? Maybe maybe not. I would rather not put it to the test though.

Am I a member? Maybe maybe not. I’ll just let you ponder on that one.

That is an extremely interesting perspective. Good points.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Here is another thing though...
The States, the other 49 states, could vote to give us our freedom and let us secede, without it going to war.

I doubt all 49 states would vote against us, just like all 49 states wouldn’t vote to let us secede.

There maybe some states that wouldn’t want to let us secede, but would vote to let us, simply because they are to Liberal and would let us just to prevent civil war.

I don’t know if this is true or not, depends on who you want to ask I suppose. But in the last 6 months the Texas Militias, (many) have more then Tripled their membership. Some are saying over 2 million Texans are members of one militia or another. Is this true? Maybe maybe not. I would rather not put it to the test though.

Am I a member? Maybe maybe not. I’ll just let you ponder on that one.

This is the very point I was thinking about as I worked my way through unread posts. The primary difference I see between now and 1861 is that the "north" is a much smaller and less capable institution this time around. I am inclined to believe that it would be much different in terms of support noe, given that a lot of people not part of the traditional south are fed up with imperialism from inside the Washington much as the Confederate States were in the past. Let me be clear. Slavery in 1861 was like alleged child abuse in the Branch Davidian camp. It was the gasoline used to fuel the fire of public opinion, not the real issue at hand. In 1861 the real issue was that of tariffs being used to prop up northern industry on the backs of southerners being denied better trade opportunities elsewhere, thus making the entire south the north's plantation. Abraham Lincoln, real or facade, presented the image of a morally upright man. Perhaps more important, the southern economy was built on cotton, which offered very little aside from trade value. At the top of the list is that weapons in the south were either imported or made in small factories or blacksmith shops. The Tredegar Works in Richmond was the only facility in the entire south capable of casting cannon.

Texas is materially much better off now and would have much more sympathy at large. I see this trend increasing as Sniff and Blow keep taking the .gov in a hard left turn.

As for the federally controlled assets in Texas, did Texas not contribute significantly to buying not only those but similar resources located across the globe?

I can remember when the Russians predicted that the United States would break up into 10 or so smaller countries. I can't say that I consider their conclusion implausible especially at a time when our elections cannot be trusted and our (supposedly) elected officials sure as hell can't be trusted.

I don't know that there would be one overarching assembly of states as in 1861 but I doubt that there would be much support for opposing it aside from Washington, New England, and the left coast (which as significant internal division itself).

 

[Texasgrillchef]

This is the very point I was thinking about as I worked my way through unread posts. The primary difference I see between now and 1861 is that the "north" is a much smaller and less capable institution this time around. I am inclined to believe that it would be much different in terms of support noe, given that a lot of people not part of the traditional south are fed up with imperialism from inside the Washington much as the Confederate States were in the past. Let me be clear. Slavery in 1861 was like alleged child abuse in the Branch Davidian camp. It was the gasoline used to fuel the fire of public opinion, not the real issue at hand. In 1861 the real issue was that of tariffs being used to prop up northern industry on the backs of southerners being denied better trade opportunities elsewhere, thus making the entire south the north's plantation. Abraham Lincoln, real or facade, presented the image of a morally upright man. Perhaps more important, the southern economy was built on cotton, which offered very little aside from trade value. At the top of the list is that weapons in the south were either imported or made in small factories or blacksmith shops. The Tredegar Works in Richmond was the only facility in the entire south capable of casting cannon.

Texas is materially much better off now and would have much more sympathy at large. I see this trend increasing as Sniff and Blow keep taking the .gov in a hard left turn.

As for the federally controlled assets in Texas, did Texas not contribute significantly to buying not only those but similar resources located across the globe?

I can remember when the Russians predicted that the United States would break up into 10 or so smaller countries. I can't say that I consider their conclusion implausible especially at a time when our elections cannot be trusted and our (supposedly) elected officials sure as hell can't be trusted.

I don't know that there would be one overarching assembly of states as in 1861 but I doubt that there would be much support for opposing it aside from Washington, New England, and the left coast (which as significant internal division itself).

You make additional very good points.

Today unlike in the 1860's we have access to important resources that we didnt have in the civil war. Oil and gas wasnt needed like it is today, and except for Alaska, We produce 4 times the oil and gas that the other 48 states due put together. If we withheld oul and gas from the rest of the nation, it would be in a world of hurt. You thought the 70's were bad with oil shortage! Wait till Texas stops our oul and gas production!

Firearms were alot more scarce back then. Not so in todays terms.

The confederacy back then also didnt get much if any internation support either. Guess what Texas could easily garner support from multiple international nations. Some with vast resources!

We can secede, if thats what we choose. We can suceed at secession too and truthfully short of pulling out nuclear weapons and using on us, we would still be succesful.

Keep in mind Pantex and what they do in Texas.

 

[kbaxter60]

I like the way it is worded. Look into it. My questions would be: 1) what would drive us, as a state, to leave the union?, and 2) what would it look like, if we did?
Articles like this answer #1, I think:

The New Domestic War on Terror is Coming

No speculation is needed. Those who wield power are demanding it. The only question is how much opposition they will encounter.

greenwald.substack.com

 

[Frank59]

Or if they want to move forward with living under our conservative values?

Count me in!!

 

[Coop45]

And they lose the 8th largest economy on the planet's tax base. So yeah they can have their shit back. We can build or buy our own. I bet the Israelis would cut us hell of a deal.

EDIT-- and before I hear "oh all the companies will leave" Set your corporate tax rate at 15% and watch the US economy bleed. Set up a new trade agreement with Mexico and we're in business. Hell we could have OPEN borders with Mexico and restrict US borders. I'm serious. Illegal immigration won't be a thing and we'll create millions of jobs in Mexico.

Create millions of jobs in mexico? President Trump got us out of NAFTA and you want it back. Are you from the COC?

 

[Coop45]

Yes, when...

...there are three threads, like in this case.

Downthread, TxStetson predicts people will open more threads on this same topic. If they do, I can type "Redundant threads merged" as many times as necessary.

I do, however, need people to hit the report button when a dupe thread is started. Also, please, when you report a dupe thread include a link to the original thread.

Ben, I hope you have a digital rubberstamp. We can be pretty disorganized.

 

[cycleguy2300]

^^^ This bears repeating.

The bill is a lot of damned nonsense and an embarrassment to any red-blooded American.
Sam Houston knew better too.

That is all I will say about it.

But I am a red-blooded Texan... and Sam Houston was a perve...

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[Texasgrillchef]

I like the way it is worded. Look into it. My questions would be: 1) what would drive us, as a state, to leave the union?, and 2) what would it look like, if we did?
Articles like this answer #1, I think:

The New Domestic War on Terror is Coming

No speculation is needed. Those who wield power are demanding it. The only question is how much opposition they will encounter.

greenwald.substack.com

Yes, so when i talk about one refusing to live under the liberal socialist tyranny and loosing freedoms, im not talking about just loosing your 2nd ammendment but uour firsr, 5th, 14th and many more.

Do you really want to submit to the status quo or are you willing to do something about it???

 

[Texasgrillchef]

But I am a red-blooded Texan... and Sam Houston was a perve...

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He forgets that most of are TEXANS FIRST Americans second.

 

[cycleguy2300]

Been watching and reading about the secession movement for over a decade, not necessarily supporting it and wishing it to be true, but just keeping up with it, reading about it, and knowing that it's there. In my mind, it is a last resort.

Saying that, I never understand when arguments are made that there's no way it could happen or how bad it would turn out for Texas. Without going into deep specifics, nations with far fewer resources and innovation than Texas do just fine. Our economy now would be among the top ten on the planet and potentially greater without the encumbrances of Washington as it relates to energy, taxes, regulations, etc. Then there's the legitimate assumption that we wouldn't be the Lone Ranger (to incorporate two Texas'isms) in such a move either.

Who knows what it would look like? Would it be easy? No. Are there legitimate concerns and issues that would result and need to be addressed? Absolutely.

During the Trump years, this was more of an afterthought for me and went to the back burner. But now there's a senile puppet in place being directed by a gaggle of Marxists, leftist control of both houses of congress, never seen before assault on free speech and free thought including proposed criminalization of such that doesn't fit the narrative of those in power, talk of deprogramming and reeducation camps not just from left-wing Hollywood nutjobs, but from elected officials and members of major media outlets, massive election fraud that was never investigated, packing the SC, not to mention the coming assault on the 2nd Amendment which is just now getting started. I could go on and on because shit is seriously going off the rails and the threats are real for free people. As bad as Obama was, that wasn't shit compared to what's happening now.

When does enough become enough? Would those who wave it away as some looney pipedream continue to do so as things get worse and worse and therefore end up in line to pledge their allegiance to an ideology and denounce everything they love and stand for while turning in their "weapons of war" for pennies on the dollar.......OR would they finally decide they'd had enough and elect to go down a path that, while uncomfortable, would restore their freedoms and way of life that they were promised by the very government taking it away?

I know where I stand. And I think that day is coming where that decision will have to be made.

My decision and the line in the sand has been drawn in my mind.

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[gll]

But I am a red-blooded Texan... and Sam Houston was a perve...

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Houston came to Texas with the intent to make Texas a state... Too bad Texans fell for it.

 

[Darkpriest667]

Create millions of jobs in mexico? President Trump got us out of NAFTA and you want it back. Are you from the COC?

I don't think you understand how trade agreements work. Go back and read about how a trade agreement works. There's FREE trade which is what NAFTA supposedly was and then FAIR trade, which is what I am proposing. I simply stated trade agreement. You assumed something entirely based on your own mind.

 

[Coop45]

I don't think you understand how trade agreements work. Go back and read about how a trade agreement works. There's FREE trade which is what NAFTA supposedly was and then FAIR trade, which is what I am proposing. I simply stated trade agreement. You assumed something entirely based on your own mind.

I know how they have worked in the past. I know my Silverado was made in Canada and my Bronco was made in Mexico. My Frontier was made in Mississippi because the big 3 complained about Japan dumping on our market. After the tariff the big 3 just increase their prices and Nissan built a plant here in the right to work south. Americans with good jobs damn sure Trumps American companies building off shore.

Do I buy items built in the US no matter which global corporation owns it....always. You better be worried about the amount of money being put into the economy to keep interest rates at sub 1% levels. I'm an old coot with enough going on that I might not make it to 2024 election. No kids, just me and my wife with enough to get us to that big finish line.

I've been shot at with enough Type 56's no have a more than mild dislike for China.

Rant over.

 

[sparkyv]

Can I use this?

Wrote my rep --

Representative Wilson,

Please support HB1359. The people of Texas have, for too long, adhered to and been subjected to the grievous and superincumbent policies of the federalist republic that is the United States. We voluntarily entered into this union by treaty in 1845 and it is time we displayed to the U.S. that we can, and will, leave if their policies and activities become too dangerous for us to stand by and abide to.

Respectfully,
Your Constituent

 

[Darkpriest667]

Can I use this?

Yes you may

 

[jordanmills]

Second biggest mistake Texas ever made was joining the Confederacy.

I'm not saying either of you are wrong, but it was a fairly complicated situation. In a way, Texas' independence from Mexico and strike as a republic was a big bluff. I don't recall if there was actual overt communication between Houston and Jackson prior to Texas independence or if it was more a case of them already knowing how their interests aligned, but they definitely seemed to work in concert through the 1830s (despite the original denial of annexation in 1836). And they (and Jackson's successors) definitely corresponded and aligned efforts to make it happen in 1845. Texas was up a creek with finances for basically all of its time as a republic, which was at odds with the finances of the union in the mid 1830s, but was a better match in the 1840s with slightly more prosperity in Texas and general insolvency of the union by then. The matter of Texas's annexation basically controlled the composition of the house through two elections and was arguably the most significant factor in determining three union presidencies (Van Buren, Harrison, and Tyler)... that would make an interesting tangent in discussion of foreign influence in US elections.

Man that was a wall of text. But I like Texas history.

 

[rogerdmillerco]

If passed HB1359, would put the vote to the people of Texas the question of Secession of Texas from the United States of America to form The Republic of Texas!

I would love to this pass and the Vote go to the people of Texas.

Now don’t assume I would vote yes to secede. But I would love to see it go to a vote. This would send a clear message to Washington and a clear FU to Biden.

https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/87R/billtext/pdf/HB01359I.pdf#navpanes=0

Let's assume for a moment that the absurd notion of Texas seceding were to actually occur. What would happen to Texas' economy? Our entire domestic output would be banned from interstate commerce. We would have to become the sole consumers of our own domestic output, unless we want to sell to China. An economic "wall" would be put around the state that would cripple the economy. Beware unintended consequences.