Gun in car at worksite

[cvgunman]

@chas019
Time to cut back on the coffee
I will say, you are tenacious.
Thought I'd stop in and say hello to give you a breather.
Welcome to the forum.

 

[Charlie]

thats the way it is supposed to be, so it can be argued in court so the attorneys can buy new cars for their kids.

'Fixed that for ya'!!

 

[Axxe55]

@chas019
Time to cut back on the coffee
I will say, you are tenacious.
Thought I'd stop in and say hello to give you a breather.
Welcome to the forum.

Dayem! @chas019! try some decaf coffee!

 

[oldag]

you mean like trying to stay alive?

No. Like not ensuring the gun was completely out of sight.

 

[leVieux]

Citizens' RIGHTS to self-defense should never be subjugated to anyone's "property rights" ! Nor to irrational fears of bureaucrats !
leVieux

 

[Axxe55]

Citizens' RIGHTS to self-defense should never be subjugated to anyone's "property rights" ! Nor to irrational fears of bureaucrats !
leVieux

So a property owner shouldn't have any rights according to you?

Novel idea.

 

[Frank59]

 

[leVieux]

One big problem I see there, is that, in any anti-2A city, a prosecutor will repeatedly say "brandishing" to a jury, no matter how carefully & non-threateningly a weapon is displayed. Also I learned to carry ONLY a revolver while in AZ. Thanks for posting.
leVieux

 

[benenglish]

... I learned to carry ONLY a revolver while in AZ. ...
leVieux

Do I need to watch the video to know why? If so, I can wait till I get home.

 

[Charlie]

I also would be interested in why to carry only a revolver while in AZ.

 

[Charlie]

So a property owner shouldn't have any rights according to you?

Novel idea.

I did not read that in what was said. If someone is on your property and is armed, I would think you have the right to ask them to leave, not necessarily the right to disarm. One can ask what one wants, but the bottom line is if they are on private property, they can be asked to leave by the owner, etc.

 

[Charlie]

If someone comes on my property with a weapon and I don't want them there, I can ask them to leave. If they choose not to leave, then I can call the local authorities and get them involved.

 

[Axxe55]

I did not read that in what was said. If someone is on your property and is armed, I would think you have the right to ask them to leave, not necessarily the right to disarm. One can ask what one wants, but the bottom line is if they are on private property, they can be asked to leave by the owner, etc.

I took it to mean a business or a company, not allowing either employees, or customers not being prohibited from carrying firearms within the premises.

Too many times, people are confusing "public" with "private" in regards to property. WalMart is open to the public, and the public shops there, but, it's still private property.

Too many times I have had this discussion over the years, that too many think their right to carry, to defend themselves over-rules a property owner's rights to limit or prohibit the carrying of firearms on their property.

 

[Charlie]

Agreed.

 

[Texas Sig]

The places I just retired from specified in the employee manual, no firearms on the premises including the parking lot. Considered a Federal facility. I parked off premises, pistol in a locked, cabled pistol vault. When there’s a will . . .

 

[Axxe55]

Agreed.

Many of such people, push the narrative, that their right to carry and to defend themselves, trumps the rights of the property owner to prohibit the carrying of weapons on their own property.

For the most part, I have to side with the rights of the property owner being greater, simply because, of other rights that can be infringed upon if the rights of the property owner are not upheld and respected by laws that protect a property owners rights.

I have also held the belief that any place, that prohibits the carrying of weapons, whether it be a place I might shop, or might be employed, I have the right to make a decision as a customer or as an employee, as to how I deal with such prohibitions. I can shop somewhere else, and I can work at place that doesn't restrict my abilities to defend myself if needed. There are always choices we can make. Each person has to make their own.

 

[Axxe55]

The places I just retired from specified in the employee manual, no firearms on the premises including the parking lot. Considered a Federal facility. I parked off premises, pistol in a locked, cabled pistol vault. When there’s a will . . .

Welcome to TGT.

In no way, am I saying or suggesting anyone break state or federal laws that prohibit the carrying of weapons.

But yes, a person can find alternatives to such policies. Your's is a good one.

 

[leVieux]

Do I need to watch the video to know why? If so, I can wait till I get home.

The Attorney told us that under AZ Law, any a.d. is a felony, one year+ in prison. That is "ACCIDENTAL Discharge", even if it does no harm to anyone or anything !

leVieux

 

[ScottDLS]

The places I just retired from specified in the employee manual, no firearms on the premises including the parking lot. Considered a Federal facility. I parked off premises, pistol in a locked, cabled pistol vault. When there’s a will . . .

Federal facilities actually owned or leased by the federal government allow firearms in the parking lot (at least it's not a federal crime to have them). Defense contractors and banks and companies that think they are federal facilities, but are not, cannot prohibit employee firearms in their parking lots. And they are not supposed to fire you for having one, but they may make up a reason.

 

[Charlie]

The Attorney told us that under AZ Law, any a.d. is a felony, one year+ in prison. That is "ACCIDENTAL Discharge", even if it does no harm to anyone or anything !

leVieux

That might be his opinion, but he is incorrect!