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Man Faces 2 Years in Prison for Shooting Grizzly While Defending Family
Man Who Shot Grizzly in Self-Defense Garners Huge Support | TheBlaze.com
Man Who Shot Grizzly in Self-Defense Garners Huge Support | TheBlaze.com
Grizzly or human? Which will the law(s) protect?
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San Antone RR
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That DA must have his head inserted way up his ass to press charges. The self defense argument will work in court.
San Antone RR
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I think that's probably the case.
RetArmySgt
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Look at the pamphlet for Texas P&W about the Black Bear. You kill one you go to jail period, but on the next page it says that if attacked fight back as aggressively as possible to survive but you kill it you go to jail.
Not that I have much dealings, but I'm under the impression black bears don't generally get riled up as easily as grizzlies.
Actually, I Googled it and found this entertaining: What’s the Difference? Grizzly vs. Black Bear
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What's your point?
Mentlfloss.com is your source for bear info!? That's funny. Article was entertaining.
My understanding is Grizzlies are Federally endangered while Blacks are listed as threatened in TX so, aside from curbing poachers, why such a heavy penalty for killing a Black?
jgalvanatx
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Black bears kill too. Let me put it this way, if I was getting mauled, losing, and armed, I'd shoot the dang bear and face charges. I would rather live than not break a stupid law. That said, one should always be permitted to defend themselves, even if the required force is fatal.
I think the guy's issue here is that no one was attacked and he decided to take the bear out. If he had stock attacked, he should have contacted authorities about the bear's presence. Anyways, the penalty he is facing pretty hefty. He should not be faced with more than a fine.
I think the guy's issue here is that no one was attacked and he decided to take the bear out. If he had stock attacked, he should have contacted authorities about the bear's presence. Anyways, the penalty he is facing pretty hefty. He should not be faced with more than a fine.
Angered_Kabar
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Killing black bears is just racist...
I'm sure I haven't heard everything, but I hope this guy gets out alright.
I'm sure I haven't heard everything, but I hope this guy gets out alright.
What burns me is that the guy was being honest and turned in the incident. He could have just as easily got out a shovel and made it disappear. I suspect that anyone else that shoots a grizzly will bury it.
Tell me again why we need more government regulations?????
Tell me again why we need more government regulations?????
Interesting reading. As someone who has faced a grizzly (oh and I can prove it) black bears as well as polar bears I understand one thing. Bears are unpredictable, Just because it wandered past yesterday and didn't have an interest in you does not mean it will do the same tomorrow.
If parts of the story are true, bear was near area where there were pigs and that was near where man has kids and the bear had cubs.... Bear is going to depart this world. Bears are wild hunters, and like all wild hunters prefer not to have to work hard for their meals. Penned animals make for easy eating. Bears will come back for easy prey even if they are live trapped and hauled hundreds of miles away. Just ask the one that now resides on my wall.
The man has a duty to protect his family and his livestock. Seems unfortunate that a large number of people have lost touch with the reality of what life in rural or wilderness areas means. Sometimes you have to kill to ensure the safety of yourself and family.
If parts of the story are true, bear was near area where there were pigs and that was near where man has kids and the bear had cubs.... Bear is going to depart this world. Bears are wild hunters, and like all wild hunters prefer not to have to work hard for their meals. Penned animals make for easy eating. Bears will come back for easy prey even if they are live trapped and hauled hundreds of miles away. Just ask the one that now resides on my wall.
The man has a duty to protect his family and his livestock. Seems unfortunate that a large number of people have lost touch with the reality of what life in rural or wilderness areas means. Sometimes you have to kill to ensure the safety of yourself and family.
txinvestigator
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The usual self defense laws would not provide a defense against shooting any animal in Texas. Self defense laws use the phrase "against another", and an animal is not "another".
However, there is a section of chapter 9 called necessity, and it has three parts;
1) The action was immediately necessary to avoid imminent harm
2) the need to avoid the harm clearly outweighs the harm sought to be prevented by the law that otherwise makes the action illegal.
3) there does not appear to be a legislative reason to overrule 1 and 2 for your action.
Not exact wording by any stretch, but in my lack of coffee state is pretty close.
However, there is a section of chapter 9 called necessity, and it has three parts;
1) The action was immediately necessary to avoid imminent harm
2) the need to avoid the harm clearly outweighs the harm sought to be prevented by the law that otherwise makes the action illegal.
3) there does not appear to be a legislative reason to overrule 1 and 2 for your action.
Not exact wording by any stretch, but in my lack of coffee state is pretty close.
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Just saw this. What a terrible way to go. Play by play of your own death. Wow.
