First Watch Restaurants

[toddnjoyce]

Wonder how many people here know who Suzanna Hupp is.

 

[no2gates]

Wonder how many people here know who Suzanna Hupp is.

I didn't. Had to google her.

 

[Axxe55]

They're safe inside and can't be killed by a gun since it's a no-gun zone.

At the time of the shooting massacre inside Luby's in 1991, there would have been no signage stating a "gun free zone" existed.

In 1991, just about everywhere in Texas would have been a gun free zone.

 

[Axxe55]

Wonder how many people here know who Suzanna Hupp is.

She was one of the survivors. Both of her parents were murdered in Luby's.

IIRC, she became a state representative? Or something.

She also testified before Congress to get Concealed Carry laws passed in Texas.

 

[toddnjoyce]

She was one of the survivors. Both of her parents were murdered in Luby's.

IIRC, she became a state representative? Or something.

She also testified before Congress to get Concealed Carry laws passed in Texas.

She also left her handgun in her car because she had no legal means to carry inside Luby’s.

 

[Renegade]

She also left her handgun in her car because she had no legal means to carry inside Luby’s.

It was pretty much illegal to have it in her car too, and pretty much anywhere her car was going. I never understood her logic of leaving it in car, when she was illegally carrying it just about everywhere else.

 

[rotor]

That is not exactly a valid debate issue.

The Luby's Massacre happened in 1991. The first concealed carry laws didn't go into effect until 1996. A full five years after the event at Luby's.

Kind of a moot point since it wasn't legal to carry on your person in 1991.

ETA:

Luby's shooting - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You don’t see the validity that a mass killer can kill your family in a restaurant and you are unarmed because of a law or a sign? If you want to voluntarily disarm to eat at a restaurant this could happen. It has happened. This is not a theoretical situation. This situation led to LTC.

 

[Axxe55]

You don’t see the validity that a mass killer can kill your family in a restaurant and you are unarmed because of a law or a sign? If you want to voluntarily disarm to eat at a restaurant this could happen. It has happened. This is not a theoretical situation. This situation led to LTC.

It was a prior event before the law was passed. That the event was used as means to get concealed carry laws passed, is important.

But in 1991, there would have been not signs. It would have been illegal to carry on your person pretty much anywhere in public at that time.

Did some people carry on their person prior to 1996? I would assume so. But some also felt it was better to be judged by twelve, than carried by six.

And if a restaurant wants to place a sign, prohibiting the carrying of guns, then that is their right. I just won't be eating there. I'll take my business to one that doesn't put up signage prohibiting me carrying a gun.

 

[toddnjoyce]

It was pretty much illegal to have it in her car too, and pretty much anywhere her car was going. I never understood her logic of leaving it in car, when she was illegally carrying it just about everywhere else.

It was and in my mind, she publicly said what a lot of people were already doing anyways, which was illegal carry.

At the time, the lesson I took away was we need LTC. Over time, I think what I’m really learning is a sign is just a sign. That’s a huge change in mindset for me, but after a lot of conversation here and other places about the real effects of removing the 411.205 punishment and other changes.

I’ve never been in favor of the signs, but I’ve tried to respect them thru avoidance. Not sure I feel the same anymore.

 

[Rhino]

Think Luby Cafeteria where your gun is in your car and your parents are being murdered and there is nothing you can do to stop it. That can’t happen can it?

Who said I'd go in unarmed?

 

[rotor]

It was a prior event before the law was passed. That the event was used as means to get concealed carry laws passed, is important.

But in 1991, there would have been not signs. It would have been illegal to carry on your person pretty much anywhere in public at that time.

Did some people carry on their person prior to 1996? I would assume so. But some also felt it was better to be judged by twelve, than carried by six.

And if a restaurant wants to place a sign, prohibiting the carrying of guns, then that is their right. I just won't be eating there. I'll take my business to one that doesn't put up signage prohibiting me carrying a gun.

Am I writing over your head? Tomorrow go into a restaurant that has signs to disarm you and you love the place and disarm. You too can be the new Dr. Hupp. Can’t happen? Statistically it won’t. But!

 

[Rhino]

Remember, we also got knife carry not that long ago, there's more than one way to skin a cat.

 

[rotor]

Who said I'd go in unarmed?

You would purposely break the law? You think Dr Hupp’s parents would have survived if she had a knife? Your choice what to do, just remember that we carry because the shit may hit the fan not because we enjoy the pain in the neck that is required to carry. Gun, knife, pepper spray, phone, keys, wallet, extra mag, all a pain.

 

[Axxe55]

Am I writing over your head? Tomorrow go into a restaurant that has signs to disarm you and you love the place and disarm. You too can be the new Dr. Hupp. Can’t happen? Statistically it won’t. But!

So you don't like the direction the discussion is going, so out come the sarcastic insults? Wow.

I don't disarm, because I will not do business with an establishment that prohibits the carrying of firearms. There are too many other places to spend my money that don't.

So the answer would be not likely to happen to me.

 

[rotor]

So you don't like the direction the discussion is going, so out come the sarcastic insults? Wow.

I don't disarm, because I will not do business with an establishment that prohibits the carrying of firearms. There are too many other places to spend my money that don't.

So the answer would be not likely to happen to me.

Good for you. I wouldn’t either. Just for those that would go in realize that there is a risk when disarmed. History does repeat. Our options are don’t shop there, shop and disarm, shop and don’t disarm. No comment about trespassing.

 

[Rhino]

You would purposely break the law? You think Dr Hupp’s parents would have survived if she had a knife? Your choice what to do, just remember that we carry because the shit may hit the fan not because we enjoy the pain in the neck that is required to carry. Gun, knife, pepper spray, phone, keys, wallet, extra mag, all a pain.

Ambiguity is as much a tactical thing as is your choice of how to wear what you defend yourself with. I'm surprised you can't tell.

 

[Axxe55]

Good for you. I wouldn’t either. Just for those that would go in realize that there is a risk when disarmed. History does repeat. Our options are don’t shop there, shop and disarm, shop and don’t disarm. No comment about trespassing.

Frankly, I don' t care what other people do, or don't do. None of my business or concerns. I carry to defend myself and my loved one in the very rare minute event that it might be needed.

If other people want to disarm, because of a sign forbids them carrying and do business with that entity. That's none of my business either.

I'm also pretty sure there are many people that don't carry at all for whatever reasons, and frequent places that don't forbid carrying a firearm.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Now that we know one must only claim to be voluntary emergency personnel, why even worry, just carry concealed.
Walk past any signs....

 

[toddnjoyce]

Now that we know one must only claim to be voluntary emergency personnel, why even worry, just carry concealed.
Walk past any signs....

It’s been that way for a couple of years now, I’ve tried to have some integrity with respect to that exemption, but I’m having a much harder time lately.

 

[majormadmax]

Think Luby Cafeteria where your gun is in your car and your parents are being murdered and there is nothing you can do to stop it. That can’t happen can it?

That wasn't Luby's fault but Texas state law at the time...