? DEFENDING UKRAINE ?

[leVieux]

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This morning, my TV is buzzing with items like "War drums beating'. . . "Biden warns Putin". . . . "U S steps-in with Ukraine cyber-attack help".

But, WHY ?

I don't think we are under any treaty obligation of in any long term strategic alliance with Ukraine; or, am I mistaken ?

Meanwhile the ChiComm's pose imminent threats to Taiwan, South Korea, and even Japan; which we are under obligation to defend, but Biden is silent !

Something is ROTTEN in D.C. !

Please correct me if I'm wrong on this ?

leVieux
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[Brains]

President House Plant couldn't issue a warning to a rock and be taken seriously at this point.

I don't know our diplomatic relationship with the Ukraine either, but it would seem this action would be more to bait us into a US vs. China+Russia conflict with the goal to shift even more power east.

 

[Axxe55]

Ukraine–United States relations - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Politics of Ukraine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Axxe55]

I would have to suspect that after it was uncovered some years ago about Biden trying to withhold aid money that was ear-marked for Ukraine, unless they dropped the investigation into his son Hunter, that they probably don't view him with much favor there.

 

[Wiliamr]

Biden just trying to protect his son's job.

 

[seeker_two]

I think this is like the "Oh, no...stop...my virtue" sort of protest found in the cheap bodice-ripper novels at the dollar store.....

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[Renegade]

I would not even defend Kalifornia.

 

[m5215]

From what I understand back when Ukraine got its independence they agreed to give up the nukes they had from the Russian occupation in exchange for security/defense agreements with the US. From what I heard from a Ukrainian on the matter many Ukrainians now feel like they should never have given up the nukes they had as it would have made any aggressor think twice about attacking them and also it is generally thought that the US has not come to their aid as they hoped with the current situation with Russia. Because of this situation, I very much doubt North Korea will ever give up its nukes because they can clearly see what has happened to Ukraine because of it.

 

[A1Oni]

who cares about what bullshit is happening in europe, we dont need to get dragged into another "police action"

 

[Mowingmaniac 24/7]

Would we be pissed if russia wanted to stick it's nose into one of our states?

Yeah, we would...Ukraine is their business, not ours.

 

[busykngt]

leVieux,
You are not wrong; in fact, I’d say you’re right. The best America can do / should do is, keep our nose out of the Ukraine / Russian affair. IMHO.

Several years ago, I spent a bit of time in Kiev and Lviv, Ukraine. Met the U.S. military attaché at our embassy - a lady, U.S. Army full bird colonel. I was a “tourist” (ex-Army officer, myself) and invited to a Ukrainian military class studying English - mainly so they could hear what American English sounded like as compared to the British English they were being instructed in. Poor slobs… err…I mean cadets were subjected to my Texas drawl.

Most Americans haven’t a clue what a quagmire getting involved in Ukraine would be. First off, roughly the eastern third to half of Ukraine is populated by ethnic Russians (including the Crimea). Most of the adult population speaks Russian. Ethnic Ukrainians can speak Ukrainian and Russian but most of the Russian population doesn’t understand Ukrainian. What they’ve got going on over there, mainly in the Donetsk Oblast is more akin to a mini-civil war. A goodly percentage of the total population remains loyal to Russia and even those who support an independent Ukraine, hate to see the pervasive corruption at the national level. It would be a lose/lose proposition for the U.S. to get involved.

 

[Brains]

Yeah, sounds like a shit show we need no part of.

 

[oldag]

Heck, let's just sit back and let Russia and China take over the entire world. Who cares about anybody else?

Of course, after a while they will be visiting our shores. And not as tourists.

Ignoring and appeasing Hitler worked out so well, after all. We would be speaking German now, had we not gotten involved. And more American lives were lost in the end because we took so long to get involved.

This does not take going to war. Strength is the best way to prevent a war. Give Ukraine some appropriate arms to make it too costly for Russia.

Isolationism ends up with you being isolated, and everyone else against you.

 

[seeker_two]

From what I understand back when Ukraine got its independence they agreed to give up the nukes they had from the Russian occupation in exchange for security/defense agreements with the US. From what I heard from a Ukrainian on the matter many Ukrainians now feel like they should never have given up the nukes they had as it would have made any aggressor think twice about attacking them and also it is generally thought that the US has not come to their aid as they hoped with the current situation with Russia. Because of this situation, I very much doubt North Korea will ever give up its nukes because they can clearly see what has happened to Ukraine because of it.

Yeah....they should have talked with Israel about that first.....

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[studenygreg]

If Russia take over Ukraine, how does that affect me? If Russia doesn't take over Ukraine, how does that affect me? Funk Russia and Ukraine.

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[Axxe55]

What I see is simply Biden's string-pullers making noise. It's not like there is strong government leadership making plans to do something in the Ukraine. They have to make it appear that Biden isn't weak on foreign policy and afraid to use military strength to effect change. Biden probably can't even spell "Ukraine"!

 

[TX OMFS]

Would we be pissed if russia wanted to stick it's nose into one of our states?

Yeah, we would...Ukraine is their business, not ours.

Except this is like us sticking our nose into Mexico, not a US state.

 

[leVieux]

who cares about what bullshit is happening in europe, we dont need to get dragged into another "police action"

"EXACKERLY!"

 

[leVieux]

Except this is like us sticking our nose into Mexico, not a US state.

Of course. "We" have gone into Mexico twice in public and several times undercover. And we should be able to do it again if circumstances warrant.

Last thing needed now is any serious row with Russia. Besides, we and Russia have numerous "common interests", which could best be addressed cooperatively.

leVieux

 

[TX OMFS]

Of course. "We" have gone into Mexico twice in public and several times undercover. And we should be able to do it again if circumstances warrant.

Last thing needed now is any serious row with Russia. Besides, we and Russia have numerous "common interests", which could best be addressed cooperatively.

leVieux

I agree a war or even a skirmish with Russia is not a good idea. It does suck that we kinda told Ukraine we'd have their back then we don't. Not the first time we've done that. Probably not the last time.